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[Samuel Leming]

Originally Posted by Darrin Drader

So the half on this poll here Changeover poll who are not switching are non-representative?

Maggan has buggered that poll and he didn't even use any lube. The numbers may be correct for all we know, but since some people will be voting more times than others we can't trust the results.

Originally Posted by Darrin Drader

How about the 150+ people I talked to a week and a half ago at the convention in Spokane where I was a guest, half of whom didn't have very positive things to say about 4E? Or how about the local game store where I'm seeing the same trend? I suppose that you'd count that as anecdotal, or better yet, question my integrity since I've made up my mind about which game I'm playing.

The very definition of anecdotal. In the much smaller circles I'm familiar with acceptance of 4e is MUCH LOWER than 50%. If I go by groups it's a flat zero. They're all either sticking with 3.5 or C&C, playtesting Pathfinder or trying out one of those other games they've been meaning to try(I think over half have purchased the 4e books though.) Up here in message board land many people have said they've seen the opposite, or that they've seen what your witnessing or that they're seeing what I'm seeing. Anecdotal. Just another datapoint.

Since this is a thread on the GSL, I recently wondered if the designers were working under the impression that there would be a generous license and a robust group of third party publishers after the launch. All the [choke] 'gamist' optimization and paring back on flavor seem much less pernicious on the part of the designers if they though there would be an army of publishers ready to provide these traditional roleplaying elements right out of the gate.

Originally Posted by Darrin Drader

The difference is that the choice was taken away from WotC by Ryan Dancey and Peter Adkison eight years ago. It was the greatest gift they gave to the gaming community because it ensures that there will always be a version of D&D in print, regardless of what Hasbro ends up doing with the official brand. I'm flabbergasted that anyone who is passionate about the game would see this as a bad thing.

Agreed. Actually this could be a great time for the D&D game. Between C&C, Pathfinder & 4e anybody can have just about any kind of D&D game they want.

Sam