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Originally Posted by Obryn

Well, gosh. I'm running a 4e game. I'm going to be running a 1e game shortly - the start date is 11/16, and I've been reading the rules & adventure for a week or two. It's the first 1e game I've run in a very long time, but I've worked through the editions from B/X onwards over 25 years or so of play.

I can't say or do anything to convince you that 4e feels more oldschool to me (and evidently more than a few others) than 3e does - once you move past the surges and powers and the like. I can also see why other folks disagree. I'm very disheartened, though, to find that when I say "4e feels oldschool" your response is, "No, you're either fooling yourself or lying."

-O

Except for the fact I didn't say those things. I said some, not all. I also said before that there is a focus on combat in both 1sy edition AD&D and 4th. That may be the biggest connection to there feels. The rest, not so much.

Originally Posted by Umbran

Ah. You see, I expect many of us hold the opposite opinion. The fighter is a specialist in combat. Hitting and getting hit is what he does for a living. If there's anyone who should know exactly how much he's got left in reserves, it'd be the fighter. Because if he doesn't know that, he can't apply decent tactics, and if he cannot do that, he's dead.

Though, honestly, anyone who gets into a fight regularly - meaning all the PCs in a typical D&D game - ought to have a clue. Heck, in the real world I only put on armor and whack people with sticks occasionally, but I know when I'm getting too wiped out to keep going.

But the fighter should know nothing of HP, damage per attack expressed as a number, etc.

More to the point a fighter would know vital locations to strike to cause the most damage to kill or incapacitate the opponent, but those do not exist in 4th edition.

The character should have no knowledge of his character sheets and stats.

I mean is there some bard, scribe, and minstrels going around? Maybe the scribe is making a business!

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No. I don't think scribes are sitting around doing that in their spare time. There is no baseball card that tells a fighter how much relative hit absorption he has and how much average damage he is doing expressed in numbers.