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Originally Posted by Mustrum_Ridcully

The only class with a choice seemed to be the wizard...

(Ignoring that in earlier editions the trade-offs were mostly in your choice of class.)

And it is with the Wizard—which happened to be the 4e class I’ve played—that I feel unsatisfied.

And if the game is going to make the Fighter follow mechanics more similar to the Wizard, then I’d like the possibility of those trade-off to now be available to him too.

Maybe if I didn’t feel like my first level Wizard was combat-heavy and utility-light. Maybe if you started out combat-heavy and utility-heavy, maybe then I would’ve enjoyed it more.

Originally Posted by mmadsen

But we know that's not true. People consistently enjoy combat, because it actively involves all the players. As in real life, every extra fighter counts.

Every extra diplomat or lockpicker does not. That's why this complaint rings false: Some tasks don't benefit from second- or third-rate help.

While I have no doubt that the 4e design works great for some groups, there’s no denying that not a single person in my group really enjoyed it. While I think it deserves us giving it more time, I doubt anyone is ever going to care enough for that to happen.