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[ProfessorCirno]

Originally Posted by AllisterH

*LOL* Doood, I'm with you there.

But honestly, ho many gamers know about Disgaea and La Pucelle Tactics? When people started calling 4e a MMORPG, there were only a few of us that said,

"Um, no. Closest videogame analogy is Disgaea and FFT" and I got responses like "You idiot, just because you think you're niche MMORPG is so cool doesn't mean it iisn't a WoW-clone"

Most people in Europe or North America have little exposure to this genre (especially given how turnbased games in both RPGs AND Strategy get mocked these days. Didn't help that games like ToEE was so bloody buggy)

I mean, X-com was 97, Jagged Alliance was '99 and Fallout Tactics was '01. (Has it really been 8 years since a great turnbased RPG?) I truly wish American companies would take up this genre but I think turn-based rpgs is firmly going to remain japanese primarily...

Man, never take gibbering baboons on the internet for an indication of the real world ;p

DS is the best selling, like, ANYTHING, for quite awhile now, and like I said, strategy games on it like the FFTA series have been making bank. The problem isn't with the gamers, it's with the publishers - when Blizzard announced D3 would keep a similar interface, one of the top guys in Bethesda criticized it for not being first person. One of the ideas for NWN2 that Obsidian had at the beginnin of development was to turn it fully turn based, but Atari refused.

The problem is that so many things go into making a successful game, and many publishers have no clue what those things are, so they just try to copy it verbotim. That's why you had the giant influx of really bad Diablo clones that never made any money, and the great big disaster that was Interplay when they tried making games such as *shudder* Brotherhood of Steel. It's why every other FPS that comes out tries to be as similar to Halo as possible - the publishers have no idea what made Halo a success, so they're turning it into a formula. And the funny thing is, most of the time, these formulas fail.

The problem with turn based games is that a lot of the hate from them comes from marketting, not from gamers. The gamers are just unintelligently aping what they've already been told. In fact, "marketing" is the source of almost all the problems with the gaming industry these days, so that shouldn't really be a surprise.