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Oh yeah, that would work. I am not at home (in a hotel for a conference) - otherwise I would start playing with it. Also, a sylized fist might work.... dunno.
Since a lot of people seem to like Trolls' versions, I thought I'd throw in a few thoughts I had when I was working on the cards that I postedearlier.
I thought that there were too many cards to lay out at once, so it would be nice to stack them overlapped and have a bit of information showing on the top. What I thought would be good info is:
name
action cost (standard, move, etc)
type (burst, blast, ranged, etc)
requirement (implement, melee weapon, ranged weapon)
whether it causes an OA.
I also put special effect types towards the top (acid, fire, force, etc), since I thought it might be important depending on who you're attacking. If all these things could be seen in the top inch or so of the card, they could be stacked for space and tapped only when used.
Looking over character and monster powers, I noticed the following action costs:
immediate (reaction)
Dragon breath when first bloodied
free
Mage Hand: Drop an object the hand is holding
standard
Mage Hand: Conjure a floating hand.
move
Mage Hand: You can move the hand up to 5.
minor
Mage Hand: pick up or move a different object.
Mage Hand: sustain the hand.
I know I'm using a lot of examples from Mage Hand, but it is a good example of a power that can slow someone down while they're reading the card (at least until they learn it well). I expect Rituals to be another cost. Inherent abilities and skills could also be considered another type or part of the "free" actions. I don't know how Utility Powers would fit in this.
Frequency includes At-Will, Encounter, Daily, and Recharge. The dice graphics look okay, but I find that they are slower to read than numbers and don't do as well when printed at small sizes.
When players used the character sheets during combat, they slowed down *a lot* trying to find certain pieces of information. The pieces that could use some quick eye-caching features were: range/blast, to-hit and damage stats, secondard attacks.
Other things in the back of my mind:
colors good for color-blinded people. Have the red, green, black colors be progressively dark in grayscale.
consistency: try to put the same information in the same place, or in the same order relative to other text.
colors and text: If colors are used, try to back it up with text or icons. Since there are various types of color-blindness, some people may not see the blue background of a circle.
I guess I'm one of the few who doesn't like the bottom one...
For me, the top ones are the best
Second the motion. I'd personally vote for the top row style. However, I would also suggest dropping the color code from the symbols. Do we really need another color set to add to the complexity? Also, as for "action" symbols... do we have to have it be an option between Attack type or Action symbol? Why can't we add a dot to the lower section of the card like in earlier iterations? Or possibly over the lower section of the left hand column?
Edit: Oh and just to add - this is fantastic work. I love how these are developing. Great work.
I do, but it's using the Magic the Gathering template, which I am ditching for this new DDM style. But yeah, I have all of them for the existing Pregens. Check page 2 of this thread, I think.
Next iteration:
-New standard action symbol (looks great!)
-Redrew exclamation mark (wasn't quite symmetrical after the resize, edges looked strange)
-Added blur behind action symbols to make them blend in/feel more natural
-Added Attack type (Int vs. Ref) to last notch. That leaves us with nowhere to put Channel Divinity or Pact etc. The trick is whether that or Sustain: Minor is more important. For warlocks, it's not (pact is a one time choice), but for Channel Divinity, it does determine how often you can use the power. Any thoughts?
I know a couple of you still like the attack type rather than action type in the top bubble, but seeing these I think we're on to a winner.
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Since these are power cards, not monster cards, we don't have to worry about recharges. Also, all the most important (decision making) factors are along the top and down the side, so you can stack them.
Oh, and all colour coded/symbol information is repeated in words on the card.
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Your range numbers look better than I would've hoped. Do you think you can get both a range and a burst size in there for ranged burst attacks?
Also, do you think you could sneak a tiny * somewhere inside the Bigby's Grasping Hand's Standard Action circle? It would quickly indicate that there is a Sustain:Minor option. It might work, or it might look silly.
Oh, and on a completely irrelevant note: Why didn't they call the spell "Bigby's Grasping Hands"?
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The only minor tweak that I see is that you remove the periods from the action listing. Make "Std." just "Std" and "Im. R." just "Imm". It makes it look cleaner and players will still know what it means.
I would buy this as a product in a minute. I hope WotC takes note of this and does something along these lines, but if not, I'd love to see a compiled version that I can print myself. Very good work!
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I would buy this as a product in a minute. I hope WotC takes note of this and does something along these lines, but if not, I'd love to see a compiled version that I can print myself. Very good work!
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This. AN awesome effort Troll, just lovely. I am going to be using such cards in 4E IMC. But there is no way on earth that I could make anything as good. Thanks
These are excellent. This is why I love the Internet and the concept of Web 2.0 so much. These cards are a product of many enthusiasts coming together, collaborating, sharing efforts, and creating something of value to the community. Trolls definitely deserves a lion's share of the credit, but don't sell yourselves short. Many of you (and myself) added our little bit to this.
So, the next logical step will be to share the template with the community and let's start getting all of the cards done!
The only minor tweak that I see is that you remove the periods from the action listing. Make "Std." just "Std" and "Im. R." just "Imm". It makes it look cleaner and players will still know what it means.
Imm by itself doesn't necessarily work cause it could be Immediate Interrupt or Immediate Reaction (or am I misunderstanding something?).
With regards to the channel divinity, isn't this already part of the power name?
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These are excellent. This is why I love the Internet and the concept of Web 2.0 so much. These cards are a product of many enthusiasts coming together, collaborating, sharing efforts, and creating something of value to the community. Trolls definitely deserves a lion's share of the credit, but don't sell yourselves short. Many of you (and myself) added our little bit to this.
So, the next logical step will be to share the template with the community and let's start getting all of the cards done!
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Second the motion. I'd personally vote for the top row style. However, I would also suggest dropping the color code from the symbols. Do we really need another color set to add to the complexity? Also, as for "action" symbols... do we have to have it be an option between Attack type or Action symbol? Why can't we add a dot to the lower section of the card like in earlier iterations? Or possibly over the lower section of the left hand column?
Edit: Oh and just to add - this is fantastic work. I love how these are developing. Great work.
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