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Old 18th July 2008, 05:27 AM   #801 (permalink)
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The Set (core_complete_set.rar)
This set consists of 1018 cards in total, including the powers from classes, paragon paths, epic destinies, feats and races (from the PHB and the MM, as well as Dragon #364, and the artificer powers from Dragon #365), as well as blank cards to fill in for the different item types (though you can also use the template to make finished cards for different items).
Ander00, I'd just like to say that these power cards are one of the best-designed and most fun game aids I've used in a long time. I cut out sets for all the players in my group, and they rock. Perfect.

Not only did you capture the 4e feel, but you accounted for the need to note adjusted totals and even improved on the power listings in the book by including easy-to-reference melee/ranged and action type icons.

This is an absolutely fantastic resource, and it's made my 4e gaming more enjoyable. Thank you!
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Old 18th July 2008, 07:17 AM   #802 (permalink)
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This might look like the same card I mocked up in GIMP, but it's not. I have a semi-working Style file now. After 3 hours of futzing, it's now time to go to bed.
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Old 18th July 2008, 12:48 PM   #803 (permalink)
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This might look like the same card I mocked up in GIMP, but it's not. I have a semi-working Style file now. After 3 hours of futzing, it's now time to go to bed.
This is what I was waiting for. I think using cards for items makes them easy to exchange between party members, sell in shops, etc.
Are you also willing to make cards like 'Flaming Longsword', 'Flaming Battleaxe' with the adjusted stats and cards for mundane items like simple torches, ropes, food, ...

Love your work, thanks for the enormous efford.
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Old 18th July 2008, 06:08 PM   #804 (permalink)
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Just a quick note: I updated my power and magic item cards with the latest (7/02/08) errata from Wizards. Just late to the game there.
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Old 18th July 2008, 07:14 PM   #805 (permalink)
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Guybrush -

Awesome job on the WIKI.

One note, though - it's not entirely necessary for them to put the complete card sets in their own directories. Most of ours can coexist peacefully since we've renamed the .mse-game. Mine, for example, is differentiated by DnD4h.mse-game. Since none of the other sets use that, it can coexist peacefully.

Not that your instructions are incorrect, just thought I would clarify.

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That parts my doing. I added a bunch to the Wiki of late, including printing and multiple templates.

Its good to know that many of the new templates support being added to the general folder. I had the typical frustrating early experiences, so I now do this every time to keep things clear.

One idea is for authors to make it clear in their zip file (maybe a quick installation note in a readme.txt) that these files can be added right into the main data directory.

If anyone feels a wiki change is needed, please do so. That's what a wiki is all about, and anyone can edit it so what I wrote ends up being better.
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That parts my doing. I added a bunch to the Wiki of late, including printing and multiple templates.

Its good to know that many of the new templates support being added to the general folder. I had the typical frustrating early experiences, so I now do this every time to keep things clear.

One idea is for authors to make it clear in their zip file (maybe a quick installation note in a readme.txt) that these files can be added right into the main data directory.

If anyone feels a wiki change is needed, please do so. That's what a wiki is all about, and anyone can edit it so what I wrote ends up being better.
Some of your original frustration probably came from my first attempts to make a set.

I changed the game file in the .mse-game without checking for compatibility. A bad no-no on my part.

The newest set of mine doesn't have that problem, and I'm sure Mercutio's doesn't as well.

I'm still halfway in the rewrite of malcolm_n's druid for use in my campaign world or I'd be publishing more card info out here.

My next steps are pretty small in the cards though. I'll announce them when I manage to finish them.

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P.S. - One of things on my to-do list is to pull out the Level, Class, and PowerSource into their prospective fields. Ander and I are using the SOURCE tag to put where the card originated from (PHB, etc). So I think you're starting to see some of what you asked for. I'll take a look at Mercutio's set and see if he's using any fields I'm not and if I could possibly use them instead of mine.
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Not only did you capture the 4e feel, but you accounted for the need to note adjusted totals and even improved on the power listings in the book by including easy-to-reference melee/ranged and action type icons.
It is easy for us to miss this, but most of the recent good MSE additions, such as Mercutio/Plauge, Ander00, and others allow editing in MSE. It is what makes MSE so powerful compared to pdf or PowerPoint, and why I have spent some time on the wiki.

You can take any of the recent sets and edit in exactly your information, such as your to hit and damage bonus, or your own quotes, etc., because the authors have enabled this. It removes a bit of the edge that Ander00 had in being able to write the values in the boxes - now you can choose between Ander00s excellent streamlined look (and type the values into the boxes) or edit a set like Mercutio's/Plauge's which are busier but really aesthetically pleasing.

Also, making a few cards is simple. For example, you can take Mercutio/Plauge's set and save it as your PC name. Then you remove the powers you don't want at the low levels, keeping the higher levels you might take later. Then you click on add new card and in 3 minutes add a multiclass power from another class, then print exactly the cards you want for this character with your custom info on them. That's amazing, and hat's off to the people doing this!

Last night I made magic item cards using the Lord Tirian design (still may fav for items, though that new design looks good, Mercutio/Plauge), placing pictures from the WotC gallery. Can't wait to hand them out at the next game when they are earned/found. Game-changing tool!

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Old 18th July 2008, 07:24 PM   #808 (permalink)
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Question: is there an easy way to add in a card from one mse set to another?

What if they belong to the same author, such as a wizard power from Mercutio/Plauge's wizard set into the warlord set?

What if they are across different sets, such as Hirohito into Ander00?

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The set files are zips and the zipped info is effectively text, just like game and style. You could conceivably copy and paste info from one set to the other but I know mine uses different info than Ander00's. So, you could easily copy and paste from one of my sets into another of mine, but not into Ander's without rewriting the tags for his style.
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Question: is there an easy way to add in a card from one mse set to another?

What if they belong to the same author, such as a wizard power from Mercutio/Plauge's wizard set into the warlord set?

What if they are across different sets, such as Hirohito into Ander00?

Thanks,

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I'm fairly certain mine can take Ander's and Mercutio's set information as it currently stands.

You will most likely get an initial 'missing data' or 'unknown field' complaint from MSE when it first loads your new set, but I'm fairly positive it will work.

Teos - do you want me to try it and make a write-up on how to do it?
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Old 18th July 2008, 09:22 PM   #811 (permalink)
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It is easy for us to miss this, but most of the recent good MSE additions, such as Mercutio/Plauge, Ander00, and others allow editing in MSE. It is what makes MSE so powerful compared to pdf or PowerPoint, and why I have spent some time on the wiki.

You can take any of the recent sets and edit in exactly your information, such as your to hit and damage bonus, or your own quotes, etc., because the authors have enabled this. It removes a bit of the edge that Ander00 had in being able to write the values in the boxes - now you can choose between Ander00s excellent streamlined look (and type the values into the boxes) or edit a set like Mercutio's/Plauge's which are busier but really aesthetically pleasing.

Also, making a few cards is simple. For example, you can take Mercutio/Plauge's set and save it as your PC name. Then you remove the powers you don't want at the low levels, keeping the higher levels you might take later. Then you click on add new card and in 3 minutes add a multiclass power from another class, then print exactly the cards you want for this character with your custom info on them. That's amazing, and hat's off to the people doing this!

Last night I made magic item cards using the Lord Tirian design (still may fav for items, though that new design looks good, Mercutio/Plauge), placing pictures from the WotC gallery. Can't wait to hand them out at the next game when they are earned/found. Game-changing tool!
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Hmmmm..... I put all that work into getting the 7 sidebars in my set and don't even get an honorable mention? ;-)

Just as an FYI for those that are curious, my current set allows up to 7 sidebboxes for additional customizable data. They allow for both the title and the text within the box to be customized.

This data is saved with the card and print out quite nicely.

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It is easy for us to miss this, but most of the recent good MSE additions ... allow editing in MSE. It is what makes MSE so powerful compared to pdf or PowerPoint ...
Since when is a PowerPoint file not editable?
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Teos / Alphastream -

Hmmmm..... I put all that work into getting the 7 sidebars in my set and don't even get an honorable mention? ;-)

Just as an FYI for those that are curious, my current set allows up to 7 sidebboxes for additional customizable data. They allow for both the title and the text within the box to be customized.

This data is saved with the card and print out quite nicely.

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I like your cards and I downloaded them but when i use the side bars I get a gray background in the boxes, not the cool dividing lines.
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I like your cards and I downloaded them but when i use the side bars I get a gray background in the boxes, not the cool dividing lines.
Sorry Meandog!

Yep - the default is a rather ugly gray background that was my first attempt.

Go into the MSE editor and click on the Style button (3rd from the left).

My set has about 18 different things you can change, but the ones you're interested in are the bottom two: Box Type Select and Flourish Fill.

On Box Type Select, Select 'Flourish'. On Flourish Fill you can select Thick or Thin (your choice).

While you're here, you can play around with the other options and you can set how your cards are styled. Not everyone likes the Old English font, for example. I've added 9 different font styles for most different settings.

The next version of the cards I'm going to clean up a bit. I'm *ALMOST* done with the Druid rewrite, so cleaning up the cards is my next project.

Thanks so much for the positive feedback! Also - if there are any suggestions you have, let me know and I'll see if I can implement them in the next release.

Here are two examples. The first is my set at default, the second is with some of the options selected.

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[quote=eloquentaction;4389734]Sorry Meandog!


Here are two examples. The first is my set at default, the second is with some of the options selected.

Man that is alot of options, and really cool. So your idea was to use these side boxes to write in your characters attack and damage? What other things would you put in them?
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Hmm... i can't seem to find a search function...

has there ever been an image icon created for a Wall effect for use in the MSE? I am making my own cards using Ander's set (a very nice set BTW Ander) and have even made some changes to include other Classes/Races in the drop down boxes he set up. The one thing I haven't been able to find anywhere is a wall icon to use int he attack/effect location in the upper right corner. Anyone know of one? If so, please let me know!
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The set that Merc and I created has one. Download the style here.
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My set has two walls. Close Wall and Area Wall.

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Hmmmm..... I put all that work into getting the 7 sidebars in my set and don't even get an honorable mention? ;-)
Honestly, I've been writing my first 4E mod and I wanted to get some cards done for my PC (who a different player will play so we have 5 PCs) and item cards so i can give them cool treasure. I love your design, but I have mentally kept myself from installing it because I know I won't finish the mod if I do.

Now that the bulk of the work is done, I'm gonna do just that. And yes, I would love a tutorial on the MSE file itself. I read about the unzipping part, but I haven't done so nor delved into it. It would be useful to have the wiki at least explain what is going on. It would also let people know that they can change cards even if the text is not easily editable in the card.

Thanks, Hirahito! No slight meant, just giving props to what I've been able to get to so far!
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Since when is a PowerPoint file not editable?
Powerpoint is fully editable. It takes about 10 seconds to customize one of Grandpa's "Thundering Weapon" cards into a "+1 Thundering Warhammer".
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