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Old 21st April 2008, 06:47 AM   #161 (permalink)
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I think Riley nails it - how about these symbols? >> is standard, the four-pointed star is pretty much universal for move in most applications. The * is minor (since asterisks are usually used to note minor things), and the ! is for immediate actions to draw attention.

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Old 21st April 2008, 07:07 AM   #162 (permalink)
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And here are some with colored icons...

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Old 21st April 2008, 08:25 AM   #163 (permalink)
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Ya those color symbols are cool, I think it's important to have action type and frequency somewhere predominant. Though, I would reconsider the standard action one, >> dosn't feel like a standard action, it seems more like a movement. And you might want to find something for full round actions (if there's such a thing in 4th ed).
Maybe have the frequency (at-will, encounter, daily) be a color somewhere or something, as long as it's the second most visible piece of info on the card, after action type (standard, move, minor).
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Old 21st April 2008, 09:44 AM   #164 (permalink)
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Nah... no need to introduce even more symbols.
I think Trolls version is basically perfect (with or without the bubble color code - as long as the action type is written in a notch as well, I really don't mind the bubble color)
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Old 21st April 2008, 11:00 AM   #165 (permalink)
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Yeah, I second this. Trolls version is perfect.

I'd be also interested to see a landscape version.
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Old 21st April 2008, 02:46 PM   #166 (permalink)
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Ya those color symbols are cool, I think it's important to have action type and frequency somewhere predominant. Though, I would reconsider the standard action one, >> dosn't feel like a standard action, it seems more like a movement. And you might want to find something for full round actions (if there's such a thing in 4th ed).
I like the move, minor, and immediate. I agree the standard is a bit trickier.

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Maybe have the frequency (at-will, encounter, daily) be a color somewhere or something, as long as it's the second most visible piece of info on the card, after action type (standard, move, minor).
That's already done. The Green shading at the top is "at will," with black and red indicating daily and per encounter (IIRC). It's a color scheme that'll be in the PHB.
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Ok, try these on for size. We've got an experiment with a long power (Bigby's, as requested), and then versions with the new action symbols in the bubble. You can imagine the top ones without the colour in the bubble, if you wish.
Note that I've removed the power source notch from the bottom ones, and left the action in. I've done that to clarify action type, and because space is low and power source doesn't actually matter.



So, a new round of opinions!
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Old 22nd April 2008, 12:53 AM   #168 (permalink)
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I really like that lower set. They look great! I especially like your use of that top side bar for icons for attack type.

A few additional thoughts along the same vein:
  1. A tiny "10" could be stuck just under the bow in the left top sidebar, indicating range.
  2. The second side bar could indicate type of attack: "Int vs. Ref" or "Str vs. AC."
  3. In the power descriptions, consider bold-texting the part that says "2d10 + Intelligence bonus force damage."
  4. In the upper left circle with the "standard action" symbol, a tiny asterisk in the corner (sic) could indicate a sustain minor.

Keep up the great work! I was planning to try to do something like this myself, but your Adobe-fu far exceeds my own capabilities.
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Old 22nd April 2008, 01:44 AM   #169 (permalink)
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I knew that Standard Action icon would get me into trouble... It didn't sit right with me either, but I figured that the Chevron symbolized action? LOL. Any suggestions for a Standard Action icon? Right now, I am siding with a fist.

Oh, and Spot On Riley - again. Those little details like the range and sustain are very good.
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Old 22nd April 2008, 02:42 AM   #170 (permalink)
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I think the bottom ones are just about perfect. Color-coded for At-Will/Encounter/Daily, the easily-checked icons in the upper left corner for standard/minor/move, and the top sidebar for weapon is just about perfect.

The only changes I can think of is to make the left sidebar more of a "quick-facts" thing - emphasize that it's Int vs. Reflex, or put the damage highlighted in those boxes. But I think there's not enough room in the sidebar for that information, so without a major redesign it's not possible.
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Old 22nd April 2008, 03:08 AM   #171 (permalink)
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If possible, It'd be great to get these formatted for business card size. You can buy pre-punched sheets of business card stock. You can't for playing card stock

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Old 22nd April 2008, 03:27 AM   #172 (permalink)
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This is just stupid and dangerous.

Making your own power cords is stupid and dangerous.

You could start fires people. Just spend the 5 bucks at the hardware store.

Yes, I know I'm nuts but I've been seeing this thread and misreading the title every time.
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Old 22nd April 2008, 03:31 AM   #173 (permalink)
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In my opine the new symbols are unintuitive. I don't have a better set to offer, it just seems to add a new system to learn to use the cards which lessens the economy of design you have otherwise created. But I suppose the price is right?

Other than that they look great.
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Old 22nd April 2008, 03:57 AM   #174 (permalink)
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In my opine the new symbols are unintuitive. I don't have a better set to offer, it just seems to add a new system to learn to use the cards which lessens the economy of design you have otherwise created. But I suppose the price is right?

Other than that they look great.
Well, the symbols are just extras. You don't need the symbols to understand the card.

This said, I really like the lower batch, as we have ranged/melee powers, we don't always get a single symbol, so I like it shifted into the notches - the bubble should only hold a single symbol. A small range indicator as subscript for the ranged symbol would also be pretty rad.

Also: Please keep the bubble without any special colour - after seeing it, I really have to say, it makes the cards to overloaded with information (colour-wise) and distracts.

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Wow

Those are incredible! My vote is for the bottom set as well.

Though for icons, I'd try a hand for Standard, a boot for Movement and a lightning bolt for Immediate actions. I don't have a good idea for a Minor action, but what types of things can you do in a Minor? A picture of a common minor action would be perfect. (Is quaffing potions a minor?)
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Old 22nd April 2008, 04:45 AM   #176 (permalink)
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If possible, It'd be great to get these formatted for business card size. You can buy pre-punched sheets of business card stock. You can't for playing card stock

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What about the attached image as symbol for a standard action - it represents general activity.

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I like that one, Tirian!
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If possible, It'd be great to get these formatted for business card size. You can buy pre-punched sheets of business card stock. You can't for playing card stock

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Hey BMM, This is how we are doing this:
  • Buy some card sleeves from your local gaming store. You can get 50 for about 1-2 bucks. I bought 50 red, 50 green, and 50 black.
  • Get a friend who has some old Magic The Gathering cards, or others of similar size. Get them cheap or free (probably free) - just get junk cards like lands or commons.
  • Slide 1 card into the sleeve for backing
  • Print these cards on regular paper and cut them out.
  • slide them in front of the regular card in the sleeve.

Enjoy a durable and protected card, with sleeves color-coded by frequency type!
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I like that one, Tirian!
Well, thanks. The design is inspired by your icons - though I'm a bit concerned about the similarity to the minor action symbol - perhaps it should rather be two interlocking wheels?

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