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23rd April 2007, 07:17 PM
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#136 (permalink)
| | Father of the Game
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| haakon1,
What can I say?
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23rd April 2007, 07:37 PM
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#137 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Col_Pladoh No Milton, but I did use a bit of Dante's Inferno is developing the denizens of the Nine Hells.
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Gary | Indeed, and that was something that I as a novice player really appreciated  As I grew older and actually began reading Dante it always made me a bit nostalgic for the MM descriptions of devils.
Along those lines, was there any reason for switching the ice-cold 9th circle of Dante's Inferno for the frozen ( IIRC) 8th plane of the nine hells?
Gray Mouser
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23rd April 2007, 08:04 PM
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#138 (permalink)
| | Father of the Game
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Originally Posted by Gray Mouser Indeed, and that was something that I as a novice player really appreciated As I grew older and actually began reading Dante it always made me a bit nostalgic for the MM descriptions of devils.
Along those lines, was there any reason for switching the ice-cold 9th circle of Dante's Inferno for the frozen ( IIRC) 8th plane of the nine hells?
Gray Mouser | 
Mere poetic license, as a frozen last layer did not strike me as appropriate for a S&S model of the hells.
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23rd April 2007, 08:26 PM
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#139 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Col_Pladoh haakon1,
What can I say?
Cheers,
Gary | I admire your restraint in the matter.
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24th April 2007, 02:01 AM
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#140 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by francisca I admire your restraint in the matter. | Although I seldom do, on occasion I manage to follow Thumper's (or was it FLower's?)advice: "Of you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." 
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24th April 2007, 06:44 AM
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#141 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Col_Pladoh Even though the zine was created by me, I have not been asked to do any such thing. The fact is that I am dubious about being able to offer anything polite and constructive. | understandable. as a purely business decision, it probably seems to make sense. as a way to reach out to fans and longtime subscribers... well, it leaves something to be desired.
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24th April 2007, 07:32 AM
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#142 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Col_Pladoh haakon1,
What can I say?
Cheers,
Gary | In general, quite a lot, Gary, and it's usually quite interesting. But about this, I guess not much.  | |
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24th April 2007, 07:38 AM
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#143 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Col_Pladoh As for Egyptian deities at odds, the big dustup was between Ra and Osiris when Ra was taking Set's sind in regards who should rule earth, Horus son of Osiris or Set. Osiris onfrmed Ra that he had "many savage faced messengers" to assert his claim, and Ra backed down. | Jasin was actually referring to the backstory of the television series Stargate SG-1, but I for one will forgive you for not recognising it.
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24th April 2007, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BOZ understandable. as a purely business decision, it probably seems to make sense. as a way to reach out to fans and longtime subscribers... well, it leaves something to be desired. | If Gary wrote an article for Dragon, it would be the first one I've picked up in 2 or 3 years.
Oh, and Hi BOZ!!!
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Roleplaying is a mindset. Not a ruleset.
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I'm not trying to write the next great fantasy novel. I'm not an amateur thespian. Nor am I a number crunching, power gaming munchkin, or a rules lawyer. I'm not trying to emulate my favorite movie or novel. I'm not here to tell you how to play or that how you play is wrong or right. I'm neither a "role" or "roll" player. I'm here to have fun. I'm here to enjoy high adventure. I'm a D&D player. Pick up your dice, and start rolling. I'm here to play.
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HINT: Gaming comes down to having fun. If somebody at the table doesn't have the same expectations as the rest of the group, you're going to have trouble. Doesn't matter if it's rule set preferences, roll vs. role play, or bringing the right munchies. You need to set the expectations for the campaign when you gen chars or you are going to get hosed at some point.
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24th April 2007, 03:38 PM
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#145 (permalink)
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| Gary, I know you weren't a huge fan of the Dragonlance world, but I was pretty surprised that WOTC would pull the that license away from the original creators, Hickman and Weiss(had to be a punch in the gut for them). This made me wonder that if they were willing to pull a license from those that had worked on it for a good portion of their lives, how far is WOTC from pulling the OGL?
And so onto my question. I'm a big fan of LA and C and C. How attached are these products to the OGL (C and C more than LA, obviously), and if WOTC pulls the OGL, what changes will Troll Lords have to make to these works to keep them running? From my understanding, C and C has been slowly rising in popularity for those wanting a rules-light fantasy RPG, so I would hope it would be to stay.
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24th April 2007, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mhacdebhandia Jasin was actually referring to the backstory of the television series Stargate SG-1, but I for one will forgive you for not recognising it. | Actually, no. I was just referring to the general motif of Apophis vs. Ra in Egyptian mythology, which came to my mind as I was thinking about the solar vs. planetar thing for that game. Ra battles Apophis, Apollo battles Python, the solar battles the planetar. The sun deity against the earth serpent. | |
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24th April 2007, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuce Traveler Gary, I know you weren't a huge fan of the Dragonlance world, but I was pretty surprised that WOTC would pull the that license away from the original creators, Hickman and Weiss(had to be a punch in the gut for them). This made me wonder that if they were willing to pull a license from those that had worked on it for a good portion of their lives, how far is WOTC from pulling the OGL?
And so onto my question. I'm a big fan of LA and C and C. How attached are these products to the OGL (C and C more than LA, obviously), and if WOTC pulls the OGL, what changes will Troll Lords have to make to these works to keep them running? From my understanding, C and C has been slowly rising in popularity for those wanting a rules-light fantasy RPG, so I would hope it would be to stay. |
The OGL cant be revoked. Its out there for good. Lejendary Adventure is not an OGL game, its an independent system, so even if revoking the OGL was possible, it would have no effect on LA.
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24th April 2007, 06:27 PM
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#148 (permalink)
| | Father of the Game
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Originally Posted by BOZ understandable. as a purely business decision, it probably seems to make sense. as a way to reach out to fans and longtime subscribers... well, it leaves something to be desired. | If I were firmly supporting WotC there is a slight possibility that I would be asked for commentary in regards to the passing of Dragon magazine. As i have made no secret of my less-than-enthusiastic opinion of new D&D, I'd say the odds of me being contacted in this regard are Slim to None...and we all know Slim has left town
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24th April 2007, 06:29 PM
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#149 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by mhacdebhandia Jasin was actually referring to the backstory of the television series Stargate SG-1, but I for one will forgive you for not recognising it. | Now i know why i have never been fond of that program...the writers don't know their Egyptian mythology   
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24th April 2007, 08:36 PM
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#150 (permalink)
| | Read Phoenix Lore!
Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Originally Posted by Col_Pladoh Howdy Colonel,
Short answer:
Frankly, I find very few new fantasy books in the general S&S vein worth reading. I do enjoy the "Diskworld" series, and Glen Cook's "Black Company" novels are appealing to me. Those are about all that spring to mind. The fiction I have been reading these days is mostly murder mystery (I loved the "Judge Dee" series), historical (such as Cornwell's various series), alternate history, and some re-reading of old fantasy & SF books.
Cheers,
Gary | Have you tried the excellent, if excruciatingly complicated, Malazan series by Steven Erikson? Or the very hard-edged (sometimes too much so) Prince of Nothing series? Both are fellow Canadians and superb writers. | |
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