The Bluestar

The_Universe · 10th March 2005, 02:11 PM

It occurs to me that we never really determined what memories Xath and Justice had extracted from the Bluestar, nor did we ever see if those memories would have an effect on their sanity.

This is a good place to hammer that out.

Look at the pretty In-character tag!

Queen_Dopplepopolis · 10th March 2005, 02:13 PM

Justice just wanted his memoriest about Thane.

How exactly do you want us to hammer this out? Do I need to take a d20 to work?

The_Universe · 10th March 2005, 03:59 PM

No. There's nothing related to this that you'd need to roll. Besides, even if you don't have a D20 at work, you can always go here: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/dice/dice.htm to roll all the dice you want, all from the security of your computer screen.

Anyway, when we originally talked about the Bluestar's memories (even though Justice's were limited to memories that involved Thane Apecto, and Xath's were limited to things dealing with Mordred the Black) were like a cancer in your minds, although a dormant one, for the moment. However, the more you access the Bluestar's twisted thoughts, the more likely something...dangerous...could happen. As such, they weren't being picked through easily. To fully open your mind to them would result in death or worse...so they must be accessed only sparingly, and carefully even then.

Queen_Dopplepopolis · 10th March 2005, 04:11 PM

I know that Xath has attempted to access the memories on a couple of occasions... and Justice probably has 3 or 4 times - though, I don't know that any of those times were "in game"...

Laurel · 10th March 2005, 04:14 PM

Does the circle automatically get the backwash of the cancerous craze through the rings?
You had said there was, while much slighter then those with the memories themselves, a repercussion. Since it had stated that what Xath and Justice knew everyone got the information passed on through the rings.

The_Universe · 10th March 2005, 04:17 PM

The rings limit the destructive powers of the memories, but if they access them while you're in range...it's uncomfortable, to say the least.

Does that help?

**Xath** · 10th March 2005, 04:19 PM

I think Xath would have told the circle the information, but I don't think she would want to pass the backlash through the rings. If that happened even once, she'd remove the rings any time she was accessing the memories.

Queen_Dopplepopolis · 10th March 2005, 04:26 PM

That may be a problem - we all know that Xath is not very strong willed... if she removes the rings while accessing the memories, it really puts her at extreme risk.

Laurel · 10th March 2005, 04:26 PM

Just as long as we stick with the agreed whatever gets accessed gets to be known by at the very least all of the circle.

The whole how crazy or if it comes directly through the rings isn't a biggy, but didn't want later to have a shock with something. So however

i think most would trust and prefer the simple verbal explanation.

Queen_Dopplepopolis · 10th March 2005, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Queen_Dopplepopolis

That may be a problem - we all know that Xath is not very strong willed... if she removes the rings while accessing the memories, it really puts her at extreme risk.

So - if Xath is trying to access the memories while the ring is off - she may have to be doing it in secret... which, in our current situation, wouldn't be very hard. (all doing our own thing, etc)

Queen_Dopplepopolis · 10th March 2005, 04:30 PM

If someone with a stronger Will (read: will save) were to be within the 30' range of Xath while accessing, would it be easier for her to access? So, if she hangs out with Justice, Archon, and Kaereth while access, does it become easier?

The_Universe · 10th March 2005, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Xath

I think Xath would have told the circle the information, but I don't think she would want to pass the backlash through the rings. If that happened even once, she'd remove the rings any time she was accessing the memories.

That's what this thread should be about - when did she access the memories, and what did she (and Justice) get out of the attempts?

Anyway, the discomfort that bleeds from the rings is significant, but it's *nothing* compared to what the bearer of the memories is feeling while accessing them. So, while it may not be pleasant, it's probably better than letting them go mad in privacy.

The_Universe · 10th March 2005, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Queen_Dopplepopolis

If someone with a stronger Will (read: will save) were to be within the 30' range of Xath while accessing, would it be easier for her to access? So, if she hangs out with Justice, Archon, and Kaereth while access, does it become easier?

It's REALLY easy to access the memories, and shutting them off doesn't require a save - yet. It really depends on how often/how much they're accessed if they'll become a problem, instead of just an inconvenience.

Queen_Dopplepopolis · 10th March 2005, 04:41 PM

Even if it doesn't require a will save, yet - does it make it easier to handle? And - if we did need to make a save, would that help? (someday in the future)

Laurel · 10th March 2005, 04:43 PM

Universe, do you want a list of questions/events/thoughts that Xath and Justice have specifically probed for?

As I think Kennon was trying to do, sorry I got things off track, but if there are only three things they want to know and don't access the memories for too long this may solve all the issues of who is around, how mad the person has become, and what thier feelings towards the thoughts that now seem as thier own are effecting them.

Maybe even list the most important things first knowing how horrible the repercussions are. Then as those get answered and the effects can be seen more can be asked if absolutly necessary.

As for who is around and who has a direct link and all that. I think the circle will want at least one memember, whoever the memory person wants, with them when they access these memories to insure thier saftey and well being. We know it's not going to be pleasant, but we also aren't exactly sure what will happen. No one should be alone for that just in case.

Queen_Dopplepopolis · 10th March 2005, 04:43 PM

Justice has accessed the memories to try to understand the early structure of the church - to find out if Thane had much to do with it.

She has relived the final battle between Big Blue and Thane, as well as explored what all Thane did to try to kill Big Blue.

She has explored early memories of Thane, when they were friends - as well as when Big Blue turned on Thane.

These are all things that she would want to know - though, she doesn't have the info about all of them.

The_Universe · 10th March 2005, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Laurel

Universe, do you want a list of questions/events/thoughts that Xath and Justice have specifically probed for?

As I think Kennon was trying to do, sorry I got things off track, but if there are only three things they want to know and don't access the memories for too long this may solve all the issues of who is around, how mad the person has become, and what thier feelings towards the thoughts that now seem as thier own are effecting them.

Maybe even list the most important things first knowing how horrible the repercussions are. Then as those get answered and the effects can be seen more can be asked if absolutly necessary.

As for who is around and who has a direct link and all that. I think the circle will want at least one memember, whoever the memory person wants, with them when they access these memories to insure thier saftey and well being. We know it's not going to be pleasant, but we also aren't exactly sure what will happen. No one should be alone for that just in case.

Good call.

**Xath** · 10th March 2005, 05:50 PM

Having the rings on or off will not make a difference in Will save, just as casting Message doesn't give you a will save bonus. So Xath, IC, is just saving the rest of the circle from the mental discomfort. Them feeling the insanity will not help one way or the other, and she *will* tell them all of the information.

I know I posted whenever Xath accessed the memories, but all I can remember is her reliving the final battle between the Bluestar (and companions) and Mordred the Black.

**Xath** · 10th March 2005, 05:51 PM

Xath doesn't care if the circle is there, she just doesn't want to backlash them through the rings.

The_Universe · 10th March 2005, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Queen_Dopplepopolis

Justice has accessed the memories to try to understand the early structure of the church - to find out if Thane had much to do with it.

The structure of the early church had not been finalized (or even started) while Thane was still alive, so far as the Bluestar remembers. When they were adventuring together, he recalls in various instances the loss of the Apecto's faith in the old gods, and a growing suspicion that there was something...beyond them. Eventually, Oberon confirmed much of what the Apecto had come to suspect, though the Bluestar remained suspicious of the existence of any truly benevolent deific force, regardless of its name, appearance, etc.

From the Bluestar's perspective (after his own fall from mortality), the Apecto was a general, a warrior - not a church administrator. He had followers, certainly - but they were organized more like a military company than a church. Thane was only truly immortalized as a saint after his death, and the church has grown over the last thousand years, gaining theological stability in the wake of Thane's great sacrifice. All the Bluestar can recall with certainty is that an "Apectan Church" had not arisen in any concrete form until at least a century after her had been trapped in the North.

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She has relived the final battle between Big Blue and Thane, as well as explored what all Thane did to try to kill Big Blue.

The Bluestar remembers being slain more than once, usually by the mace that the Bluestar asked you to protect (it seems obvious now why he did not want to keep it). When they met personally on the field (instead of slaying each other's minions) the Bluestar would try to slay the Apecto with a powerful spell, but the Apecto's skill with abjuration was strong - he was usually more than protected enough to block the attack, though injury often resulted, anyway.

The Bluestar was able to kill the Apecto only because he overextended himself, holding The Bluestar long enough that the Deathward could be completed.

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She has explored early memories of Thane, when they were friends - as well as when Big Blue turned on Thane.

The Bluestar turned on no one! He came to see the greater truths, and sought what was rightfully his - the world. They failed to give him his due, and by that, turned on him.