Babies

[Laurel]

Figured since we had the room and this may become a pertanent subject figured I would start this

So how does chance decide.....

[Laurel]

Here's a link to a thead Liz had started a long time ago:

Adventuring while pregnant
May have some stuff that we will need later on this topic, or need to revisit with the general beings of EN World.

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Well - I think Justice/Liz has made her views on the baby situation very well know... but, in case you forgot...

I think that having the child travel with us is a very, very bad idea. For some reason, I seem to be alone in my opinion... but, not a big deal because, as I have said in the past, not much I can do about what Archonus decides to do with his new born child...

However - I will say - if the child is born at a time when we are still in battle... PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE don't take that child from its mothers womb and into the battlefield. It needs a stable environment and a wet nurse (since I don't think formula has been invented, yet)... so, baby should probably not come out with the Circle until it can eat some form of solid food (even if it is just mush).

... either that or we need an NPC wet nurse to travel with us.

[Laurel]

The Archonus decision has been made as it is his choice. From the story side I think it will be great, as it gives Kennon so much more to tamper, toy and general mess with. But it will also just be a really cool IC point that will effect the entire circle.

Though it will undoubtly come up again and again as situations progress, this was more started since three female members of the circle are having relations that could result in a child and only one wears a ring a rejuvination.

So as Kennon rolls the dice I thought it may help to have one place for all this.

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Originally Posted by Laurel

The Archonus decision has been made as it is his choice. From the story side I think it will be great, as it gives Kennon so much more to tamper, toy and general mess with. But it will also just be a really cool IC point that will effect the entire circle.

Though it will undoubtly come up again and again as situations progress, this was more started since three female members of the circle are having relations that could result in a child and only one wears a ring a rejuvination.

So as Kennon rolls the dice I thought it may help to have one place for all this.

The Ring of Regeneration is a handy, handy thing.... I just had a really funny flast to the espisode of Friends when Rachel and Monica are fighting over a single condom... all of the women of KoA fighting over the Ring of Regeneration....

Very, very funny.

Anyway - the baby will be interesting, no doubt. I look forward to hearing what Archonus decides to do with the child for the first few months of life...

[The_Universe]

I have to dig up the old link I found on family planning without artificial birth control.

I suppose I should also....*shudder*....take a look at the BoEF.

[The_Universe]

Also, as a general note on babies and the possibilities thereof, for the most part male/female physiology is the same across the humanoid species, which helps explain why (at the very least) humans, elves, and orcs can all interbreed so easily. Which, as a general rule, means the basic body processes are pretty much the same.

As a result, the female characters are all reasonably aware of when in the average 28-day cycle she would be more or less likely to get pregnant, assuming that birth control is not being used.

So, for those of you whose characters this may be an issue for, are you:

1) trying to get pregnant
2) trying not to get pregnant
3) not trying one way or the other

It makes a difference as for how many times (and at what place in the chart) I have to roll.

Secondarily (I think I've mentioned this before) for all intents and purposes, humanoid pregnancies last for 8-10 months. Though the BoEF would suggest otherwise, the prevalence of half races practically requires that the timelines for embryonic growth be roughly similar.

Births are live, as well. Orcs don't hatch eggs, or whatever, or anything like that.

As for birth control other than the ring of regeneration existing: as of the moment it does not. However, as the forgotten realms does have certain concoctions that do essentially the same thing as the "morning after" pill, I might be willing to entertain the possibility of a talented herbalist, alchemist, or apothecary creating something similar upon request.

[Laurel]

Originally Posted by The_Universe

So, for those of you whose characters this may be an issue for, are you:

1) trying to get pregnant
2) trying not to get pregnant
3) not trying one way or the other

#3 please as she is not actively going one way or the other

Originally Posted by The_Universe

As for birth control other than the ring of regeneration existing: as of the moment it does not. However, as the forgotten realms does have certain concoctions that do essentially the same thing as the "morning after" pill, I might be willing to entertain the possibility of a talented herbalist, alchemist, or apothecary creating something similar upon request.

What is the amastatian order's views on these types of things? Do they just live with whatever happens knowing the light decided what will come or do they practice the above when loving all thier patrons?

Also from long ago when L'Aurel found a journal (copied I would assume) of the amastatian and on her life in general what did it say of her fighting and babies, and loving before hubby and such? Really don't need detailed info unless you want to spend the time on it, but I'm sure you have better things or more pressing questions just within KOA

[Laurel]

Originally Posted by Queen_Dopplepopolis

The Ring of Regeneration is a handy, handy thing.... I just had a really funny flast to the espisode of Friends when Rachel and Monica are fighting over a single condom... all of the women of KoA fighting over the Ring of Regeneration....

It does cost 90,000 gp, and does make for an akward though humorus scene. Rok papers scissors anyone

Since Xath and Arhconus have been sharing a room for a while it can probably be assumed they are getting it on.... but unless they state something IC we don't knowas they still aren't married yet! :P

As for L'Aurel's actions.... well daily outfit is Amastatian, and she can be seen going and coming out of men's rooms, but she's not one to kiss and tell. So anything is speculation IC

[The_Universe]

Originally Posted by Laurel

#3 please as she is not actively going one way or the other

Cool.

What is the amastatian order's views on these types of things? Do they just live with whatever happens knowing the light decided what will come or do they practice the above when loving all thier patrons?

At the very least, there are efforts on the parts of both Amastacian Priests and Priestesses, before they're married, to avoid pregnancy. While the church has no official stance on the concoctions I mentioned above, it's official representatives are encouraged to seek other means to avoid children. The Fellowship of the Amastacia does believe strongly in family, but it is highly concentrated on full families - you're not expected to have children until *after* you're married. While the fellowship does not actively look down on single parent families (rare though they are), they'd definitely encourage a single father to take a wife ASAP, and a single mother to take a husband with the same speed.

So, in short, an unmarried priest or priestess of the order would be well within his or her rights to seek to avoid pregnancy - the morning after drinks would be a possibility, but definitely not the preferred means.

Also from long ago when L'Aurel found a journal (copied I would assume) of the amastatian and on her life in general what did it say of her fighting and babies, and loving before hubby and such? Really don't need detailed info unless you want to spend the time on it, but I'm sure you have better things or more pressing questions just within KOA

The Amastacia was not particularly a hussy before she joined the heroes of the last age. She grew up in a monastery in what is know Citadel Refuge, tutored by monks of an order known as the Lighted Path. They had rejected the gods of the day (Aon, Oberon, etc.) as actual Gods, and much of their philosophy clearly influenced the way that she and the Apecto gave form to the current Church of the Light.

However, it is well documented that the Amastacia preferred to be naked (or nearly so) in all but the most dangerous conditions (such as combat) and thus while the record would suggest that she was faithful to Link Woodshadow, she was apparently not shy about letting others see the "goods."

If she had previous lovers, they are not mentioned in anything written by the woman herself, or in anythiong written about her. However, as her life is not well documented before the age of 19, anything is possible.

As for babies and combat, the Amastacia did not write extensively on the subject, as it was unlikely to be a concern for an average follower. That being said, it is well known that her first child was with Link when the Amastacia was killed - and he was, if not in active combat, at least participating in some aspect of the war against the Bluestar. While Caer Melyn was far from the front, it was still a dangerous place in her time. Though her second child was assumed to have been killed in the combat that took the Amastacia's life (you now know that's not true) the doctrine that emerged after her death did not condemn the placement of the child.

In short, during a war, you do the best you can. No where is really safe in a place where teleporting is possible, so you do your best, and if something goes wrong, you pray to the Light to help you deliver justice against those who would harm a child. The Woodshadowan addendum to that would be something along the lines of "when you're done praying, you go deliver justice yourself."

[The_Universe]

Originally Posted by Laurel

she can be seen going and coming out of men's rooms, but she's not one to kiss and tell. So anything is speculation IC

I initially read this as "Men's Rooms" (like a men's bathroom) and not "Rooms That Men are Staying in" so all I could think of was, "ew. gross."

[Laurel]

Originally Posted by The_Universe

I initially read this as "Men's Rooms" (like a men's bathroom) and not "Rooms That Men are Staying in" so all I could think of was, "ew. gross."

It's a throw back to the negative cha and muscles days.... people were confused so she got used to anything.... EW! No! So anyways, the second interpretation would more accurate :P

[The_Universe]

Originally Posted by Laurel

It's a throw back to the negative cha and muscles days.... people were confused so she got used to anything.... EW! No! So anyways, the second interpretation would more accurate :P

hehehe.

[Laurel]

Originally Posted by The_Universe

The Amastacia was not particularly a hussy before she joined the heroes of the last age. She grew up in a monastery in what is know Citadel Refuge, tutored by monks of an order known as the Lighted Path. They had rejected the gods of the day (Aon, Oberon, etc.) as actual Gods, and much of their philosophy clearly influenced the way that she and the Apecto gave form to the current Church of the Light.

However, it is well documented that the Amastacia preferred to be naked (or nearly so) in all but the most dangerous conditions (such as combat) and thus while the record would suggest that she was faithful to Link Woodshadow, she was apparently not shy about letting others see the "goods."

If she had previous lovers, they are not mentioned in anything written by the woman herself, or in anythiong written about her. However, as her life is not well documented before the age of 19, anything is possible.

As for babies and combat, the Amastacia did not write extensively on the subject, as it was unlikely to be a concern for an average follower. That being said, it is well known that her first child was with Link when the Amastacia was killed - and he was, if not in active combat, at least participating in some aspect of the war against the Bluestar. While Caer Melyn was far from the front, it was still a dangerous place in her time. Though her second child was assumed to have been killed in the combat that took the Amastacia's life (you now know that's not true) the doctrine that emerged after her death did not condemn the placement of the child.

In short, during a war, you do the best you can. No where is really safe in a place where teleporting is possible, so you do your best, and if something goes wrong, you pray to the Light to help you deliver justice against those who would harm a child. The Woodshadowan addendum to that would be something along the lines of "when you're done praying, you go deliver justice yourself."

Thanks for this by the way. I didn't want to be totally off on the knowledge out there.

[The_Universe]

No problem. It's - as a general rule - a pleasure to write stuff like that. Often, it forces me to think about pieces of the world that might not ever come up.

[Laurel]

Originally Posted by The_Universe

I have to dig up the old link I found on family planning without artificial birth control.
I suppose I should also....*shudder*....take a look at the BoEF.

As odd as this sounds, can you post the link that you use in case this comes up again in this or in other campaigns?

Thanks!

[The_Universe]

Yeah, you're welcome to it as soon as I can find it. Since the last time I used it, my initial source has become an "ERROR 404" page.

[Laurel]

Originally Posted by The_Universe

Yeah, you're welcome to it as soon as I can find it. Since the last time I used it, my initial source has become an "ERROR 404" page.

Probably a more dumbed down version of things but Alzrius on post #3 of the thread started by Liz a while ago, had a link to a site with percentages and random rolls. I won't say it's the best, but I won't feel cheated if you don't want to go through things like BoEF and actual percentage chances and moon cycles and such

[The_Universe]

Originally Posted by Laurel

Probably a more dumbed down version of things but Alzrius on post #3 of the thread started by Liz a while ago, had a link to a site with percentages and random rolls. I won't say it's the best, but I won't feel cheated if you don't want to go through things like BoEF and actual percentage chances and moon cycles and such

Can you post that link here?

[Laurel]

Originally Posted by The_Universe

Can you post that link here?

I can't access it directly from work, but this should be it....
http://www.dndresources.com/index.php/files/667

or Alzrius posted this as the HTML version which I can see:
http://www.gwynnter.net/nodistractio.../contents.html