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Old 22nd March 2005, 02:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Council Member thread.

Until I finish my draft of the Council Members Thread II, I will continue to update this page.

With so many changes in the past several months to so many faccets of the GMF many previous propositions have been placed on hold waiting for a CM to reopen them (such a proposition must be seconded).

I thought it would be nice to have a place to discuss Rules, Propostions made by Council Members or Members, and provide the Council Members a place to vote on something. Discussion can and should be held by the Council Members and the Members of the GMF

I will make a list of all propositions and votes held.
1. Items being voted upon.
2. Very inportant matters effecting the GMF.
3. Items being discussed.
4. Items on hold.
5. Recent updates.


1. Council Member postion slot expansion.
Proposed by: Xen155
Outcome:
The opening of a new spot and the instalment of Y.O. Morales as a new Council Member. (passed)
Update: Y.O. Morales has been inactive for sufficient time to lose the position of Council Member.

2. Maintainment of an odd number of Council Members.
Proposed by: ChaosEvoker
Outcome:
There may be only an odd number of Council Members at any time. (passed)

3. ChaosEvokers official status and powers.
Proposed by: ChaosEvoker
Outcome:
On hold.


4. Rescinding of DungeonMasterCal’s title and powers as a Council Member.
Proposed by: ChaosEvoker
Outcome:
Recalled, DungeonMasterCal will remain a Council Member. (failed)
Update: DungeonMasterCal has been inactive for sufficient time to lose the position of Council Member.


5. Alteration of rule #2 "No Discussion of any Novels."
Proposed by: Xen155
Outcome:
Novels may be discussed on threads created for that purpose. (passed.)

6. Drawing up of a mission and vission statment.
Proposed by: NightCloak
Outcome:
On hold.


7. Password removal.
Proposed by: Y. O. Morales
Outcome:
The password required to enter the GMF will be "Dispelled". (passed)

8.Rules Governing the use of Moderator power.
Proposed by: Xen155
Outcome:
The rules governing the moderator powers are set. (passed)

9.Greetings and sign up thread creation.
Proposed by: NightCloak
Outcome:
On hold.

Update: With disscusion of the GMF website directly effecting the nessecity and outcome of this proposition, it has been placed on hold De Facto

10.GMF T-Shirt.
Proposed by: Y.O. Morales
Outcome:
On hold.


11.GMF Slogan.
Proposed by: ChaosEvoker
Outcome:
On hold.


12.Sticky thread limit.
Proposed by: BardSteohenFox
Outcome:
Space conservation matters will be taken.

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Old 22nd March 2005, 02:31 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I propose that we open a new council spot. The GMF has gotten big with 40+ members and I think one Council member for every 7 members sounds acceptable. I would like the other Council Members opnions on this as well as the other members.
If my proposition is accepted then I nominate Y.O. Morales for all the hard work and time he has placed into the GMF.

EDIT: CE has recently accpeted Y.O. Morales as a new Council Member.
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I'm not sure we'll need a council member for every 7 people, considering most people lurk or only visit periodically. I'd be curious to know how many of the 42 people signed on are actively posting right now.

Besides, don’t forget ChaosEvoker also counts even though he is not ‘technically’ a council member. Just my 2 coppers; I could be off base and I'm quite open to other opinions.

I agree about Y.O. Morales, however. He deserves a title and lots more for all the work he’s done to get this forum going.
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indeed, hence the reason I vote for Morales and a counsil member thereby establishing an official 50% majority.

I just realizd something that was just fixed by Morales's appointment to counsil membership. We need to keep an odd number of people on the cousil on the rare chance that we ever actually disagree on something (we haven't so far) but jsut in case we need to always be able to have a majority. I move to maintain the GMF Counsil at an odd number...all in favor:

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indeed, hence the reason I vote for Morales and a counsil member thereby establishing an official 50% majority.

I just realizd something that was just fixed by Morales's appointment to counsil membership. We need to keep an odd number of people on the cousil on the rare chance that we ever actually disagree on something (we haven't so far) but jsut in case we need to always be able to have a majority. I move to maintain the GMF Counsil at an odd number...all in favor:

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I'm not sure we'll need a council member for every 7 people, considering most people lurk or only visit periodically.
I'm not lurking..it's called skulking . Anyhow...Aye!
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I just realizd something that was just fixed by Morales's appointment to counsil membership. We need to keep an odd number of people on the cousil on the rare chance that we ever actually disagree on something (we haven't so far) but jsut in case we need to always be able to have a majority. I move to maintain the GMF Counsil at an odd number.
Passed with a majority 0f 4 out of 7.
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That'll each me not to read all the threads.

I concur.

Oh wait, Aye.

Yeah, that's it.
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Alright secondly, with the placement of the GMF in this hosted forum several questions have been asked of me (mainly on AIM) what my role is as founder and leader of the DMF. I woudl like to know what the counsil thinks my job should be. Should I be simply another member of the counsil like the rest of you? Should I fulfill a different job and simply oversee the hearings in the counsil? If so, what shoudl that job be? (you get the idea) Perhaps we need to create some kind of written out document describing the jobs of the counsil VS the leader if we seperate them. The floor is open for debate on this issue.

Also, DungeonMasterCal has been missing for many moons and I propose that we remove him from the counsil due to inactivity and find a replacement. If anyone has objections please speak them otherwise we shoudl begin the voting on this issue.

All those in favor...
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DungeonmaasterCal's lack of presence is somewhat explained in this thread. Though he has still been rather quiet.
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DungeonmaasterCal's lack of presence is somewhat explained in this thread. Though he has still been rather quiet.
I think we should give him a few days to show up. We just moved two days ago and he has been posting since his return, last time was 2 days ago. At least, I know I would want the same consideration.
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Didn't know about that or else I would never have proposed it. Though I think someone needs to contact him. I withdraw that proposal then
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Alright secondly, with the placement of the GMF in this hosted forum several questions have been asked of me (mainly on AIM) what my role is as founder and leader of the DMF. I woudl like to know what the counsil thinks my job should be. Should I be simply another member of the counsil like the rest of you? Should I fulfill a different job and simply oversee the hearings in the counsil? If so, what shoudl that job be? (you get the idea) Perhaps we need to create some kind of written out document describing the jobs of the counsil VS the leader if we seperate them. The floor is open for debate on this issue.
Well, sounds like a "constitution" to me. I believe CE should have a vote as all Council Members do, but the power to veto something he strongly disagrees with if the vote was close. He should also maintain the right to make as flashy an entrance as he wants.
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Rule Change

I propose that the rule number 2 "No discussion of any novels." Be changed to allow for threads to be opened for the sole purpose of novel discussion. The rule was originally set inplace to appease the Tyrants at the WotC boards. But now that they no longer reign over us I believe the rule should be altered.
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I propose that the rule number 2 "No discussion of any novels." Be changed to allow for threads to be opened for the sole purpose of novel discussion. The rule was originally set inplace to appease the Tyrants at the WotC boards. But now that they no longer reign over us I believe the rule should be altered.
The wizards don't allow discusion of novels



I certainly see no reason to bane novel discussion now someone can open their own thread if they want.


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Alright secondly, with the placement of the GMF in this hosted forum several questions have been asked of me (mainly on AIM) what my role is as founder and leader of the DMF. I woudl like to know what the counsil thinks my job should be. Should I be simply another member of the counsil like the rest of you? Should I fulfill a different job and simply oversee the hearings in the counsil? If so, what shoudl that job be? (you get the idea) Perhaps we need to create some kind of written out document describing the jobs of the counsil VS the leader if we seperate them. The floor is open for debate on this issue.
That's a tough one. The real question is: Where is the GMF going in the furture? What will it look like in a year?

Right now, having you break ties might be all that is needed. But a year from now, if this forum is really moving along and making a name for itself, then a leadership possition will have multitudes of functions. At the same time, this organization was your vision CE and that is important and needs to be recognized too. And quite frankly, I'm not sure how things will evolve to make that kind of decision.

I'm not sure how to answer your question, but I do know how to clarify the issue: I think we need the "plan" before we decide the structure of the GMF.

So, as an adjunct to this, I really think we need to consider two things every successful organization has:

1. Mission Statement.

We have one already, but we may want to give it the once over. A mission statement is what we show the world so they know what we intend to accomplish and how we are going to accomplish it. It's almost a marketing hook to promote ourselves and reach our intended audience.

2. Vision Statement.

Vision statments tells us what success looks like. It lets us know when we get to where we're going. It's the meassuring stick that tells us if we are doing things right.


A good way to think about the two is: A mission statement is what an organization shows others to inform and promote themselves. A vision statement is what an organization shows it's people internaly so they know if they are accomplishing the mission. Mission = External. Vision = Internal.

I think that if we address these two issues, the organizational needs of the GMF will be more apparent.

So I propose we look at these issues first.
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nightcloak shows true foresight and wisdom and I wholeheartedly agree. let someone in the counsil prpos a mission and vision statement and we will edit it or toss it form a completely new one, whatever. That's a great idea.

In the meantime my vote goes with Xen on the novel issue.

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I agree with NightCloaks assesment. So I will put out His proposition (as that is how I see it.) and lets have some disscusion on the matter. I think the Vision Statement must come befor the Mission statment though. NightCloak, do you have experience in matters such as these?

as to the 5th propisition... aye

EDIT: I have just put up a color coding system to make it eaisier to see what items are being voted on and what items are being discussed and so on.

EDIT 2: The 5th proposition needs 1 more Aye to pass and 4 more Nays to fail.
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Ah... Yes I would. Not much directly, but I have some experience...

...

Normally, you would create a mission statement first. Most organizations or companies create a mission statement, then a vision statement to measure how well they are doing the intentions of the stated mission.

The proper business definition of a mission statement is: A written explanation of an organization's intentions and aims.

It is in effect, an enduring statement of what our purpose is, the scope of our "operations", who we seek serve, and why we are different from other like minded organizations.

Some organizations have a long mission statement, while others have a short and simple one. I've seen some that were a page long, and one that was one sentence (It was an investment firm: "To build wealth for our clients"). Walgreens is a good sized paragraph in length.[/factoid over]
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