Draconids and Dragons

**Xath** · 24th March 2005, 11:03 PM

Do the Bluestar's memories contain any references to the types of Draconids we're seeing today? Such as the Yuan-ti, dragons, etc.

The_Universe · 24th March 2005, 11:18 PM

Well, he's definitely aware of the existence of Dragons. There were two (a gold and a silver) who served Oberon, and Andere (his wife) in what is now Caer Albion for a long time. Uther (gold) and Aureliana (silver).

But your character would have known of them as well.

Aureliana is believed to have died in the Freedom War in a battle against Mordred's forces, Uther is believed to have died while serving the Bluestar in the War of the Damned. At the very least, neither have been seen for approx. 900 years.

**Xath** · 24th March 2005, 11:21 PM

But did the Yuan-ti and Christmas Reptus have any influence on the previous wars? Did they even exist?

So we know there are good dragons.

The_Universe · 24th March 2005, 11:23 PM

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But did the Yuan-ti and Christmas Reptus have any influence on the previous wars? Did they even exist?

So we know there are good dragons.

Mordredin's, Dahaka, Ladoninds, Kerren, and Reptus are creatures never before seen on the fields of battle before the Phoenix War.

Wyverns were once relatively common creatures, but were hunted to extinction (or so you thought).

Gigantic humanoid dragonspawn (like Syvattagor) are complete unknowns - his (and his brothers and sisters) origins are shrouded in mystery!

The Iron Wyverlisks you just fought are decidedly new - no creature anything like them has ever been recorded.

**Xath** · 24th March 2005, 11:29 PM

Repost: Does big blue have any ideas as to their origins?

The_Universe · 24th March 2005, 11:31 PM

Not in relation to Mordred, up to the time you got his memories.

The_Universe · 24th March 2005, 11:33 PM

Do you have any speculation?

It would make sense that they are somehow connected to Mordred...some of them call themselves Mordredins, after all...

**Xath** · 24th March 2005, 11:36 PM

Well, I'd imagine it's some sort of genetic cross breeding similar to that done by Sauroman in LotR. But I can't really speculate as to many of the components.

The_Universe · 25th March 2005, 04:44 AM

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Well, I'd imagine it's some sort of genetic cross breeding similar to that done by Sauroman in LotR. But I can't really speculate as to many of the components.

Well the trend would hold, if it is crossbreading....that somewhere, somehow, there are dragons.

If that's also the case, you know a bit more about what "walking the shadowed path" must be...

**Xath** · 25th March 2005, 04:26 PM

The thing is, while I can tell that these new iron basilisks are a cross between a basilisk and a wyvern, we don't know what basilisks are in the first place.

As for the shadowpath....we still have no information on it whatsoever, except that even the draconids are afraid of it.

Queen_Dopplepopolis · 25th March 2005, 04:55 PM

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The thing is, while I can tell that these new iron basilisks are a cross between a basilisk and a wyvern, we don't know what basilisks are in the first place.

As for the shadowpath....we still have no information on it whatsoever, except that even the draconids are afraid of it.

My guess would be some sort of magical DNA manipulation.

**Xath** · 25th March 2005, 05:24 PM

Right, but manipulation of what? Are the creatues in the MM still basic creatures, or are they all genetically manipulated anomolies. Wyverns and Dragons existed previously, but that does not give the genetic makeup to create all of the variety we've seen.

Celestial/Dire snakes? What makes up a reptus or a yuan-ti?

The_Universe · 25th March 2005, 05:29 PM

What you're *mostly* seeing is humanoid shaped creatures with reptilian/draconic traits. Some have stronger reptilian traits (dahaka, ladonid, reptus) while others are only slightly tainted (mordredin). You have a reasonable guess that you can get mordredins from elves, humans, etc. and whatever source of reptilian essence makes them. Ladonids, dahaka, kerren, etc. might be a further corruption of man-like creatures, or their own race entirely. They might be a pre-existing unknown reptilian race, with draconic properties given to them....

What you do know is that they speak a language that shares an ancestor with many of the currently spoken ones on the great ring.

**Xath** · 25th March 2005, 05:34 PM

Right. So the question is what is that essence and how does the shadowpath infuse it with living creatures? As a character who is fluent in both Draconic and the Draconid tongue, what would the linguistic similarities suggest about the time of language separation?

Do we know that dragons can breed with anything? We know dragons previously existed. Were there many half-dragons running about?

Seriously. Dragons can breed with anything. I think there could be an oak tree with the half-dragon template slapped on it.

The_Universe · 25th March 2005, 06:06 PM

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Right. So the question is what is that essence and how does the shadowpath infuse it with living creatures? As a character who is fluent in both Draconic and the Draconid tongue, what would the linguistic similarities suggest about the time of language separation?

This has been posted before. The language would have departed about 1000 years ago.

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Do we know that dragons can breed with anything? We know dragons previously existed. Were there many half-dragons running about?

There were no known half-dragons, though that may have been more a matter of preference than possibility. The common thread about sorcerer's attributing their power to draconic blood is not common in the game world....dragons (when they existed) were serious, aloof...and not terribly interested in the affairs of the lower races.

**Xath** · 25th March 2005, 06:13 PM

Well, maybe the next time a full-grown dragon attacks us, we should try to ask it some questions.

The_Universe · 25th March 2005, 06:28 PM

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Well, maybe the next time a full-grown dragon attacks us, we should try to ask it some questions.

It's not likely to be terribly talkative.

**Xath** · 25th March 2005, 06:38 PM

Are dragons not sentient in this campaign?

The_Universe · 25th March 2005, 07:39 PM

You don't know.

But you can bet that it's not likely to lay out it's autobiography while trying to kill you, even if it is.

The two most recent living dragons you are aware of (Uther and Aureliana) were both sentient. However, they are both presumed dead or otherwise gone from the world.

**Xath** · 25th March 2005, 07:51 PM

Is the knowledge of the correlation between color/alignment/element known amongst the populace? Do we know that metallic dragons are generally good and chromatics are evil? Can we assign resistances and weaknesses to color?