Babies/Pregnancy (not AA & Jaine kid related)

[Laurel]

Redoing the thread that I had started as babies- this one not about AA & Jaine’s kid (s)—we have enough centered on the different aspects of that situation. Here we are discussing possible pregnancy and any PC issues/throws/chances/consequences/whatnot of that.



I am going to add some from the other thread that actual had to deal with this J

[Laurel]

Here's a link to a thead Liz had started a long time ago: Adventuring while pregnant May have some stuff that we will need later on this topic, or need to revisit with the general beings of EN World.

I can't access it directly from work, but this should be it....
http://www.dndresources.com/index.php/files/667

or Alzrius posted this as the HTML version which I can see:
http://www.gwynnter.net/nodistracti...e/contents.html

[Laurel]

The Amastatians view:

Originally Posted by The_Universe

The Amastacia was not particularly a hussy before she joined the heroes of the last age. She grew up in a monastery in what is know Citadel Refuge, tutored by monks of an order known as the Lighted Path. They had rejected the gods of the day (Aon, Oberon, etc.) as actual Gods, and much of their philosophy clearly influenced the way that she and the Apecto gave form to the current Church of the Light.

However, it is well documented that the Amastacia preferred to be naked (or nearly so) in all but the most dangerous conditions (such as combat) and thus while the record would suggest that she was faithful to Link Woodshadow, she was apparently not shy about letting others see the "goods."

If she had previous lovers, they are not mentioned in anything written by the woman herself, or in anythiong written about her. However, as her life is not well documented before the age of 19, anything is possible.

As for babies and combat, the Amastacia did not write extensively on the subject, as it was unlikely to be a concern for an average follower. That being said, it is well known that her first child was with Link when the Amastacia was killed - and he was, if not in active combat, at least participating in some aspect of the war against the Bluestar. While Caer Melyn was far from the front, it was still a dangerous place in her time. Though her second child was assumed to have been killed in the combat that took the Amastacia's life (you now know that's not true) the doctrine that emerged after her death did not condemn the placement of the child.

In short, during a war, you do the best you can. No where is really safe in a place where teleporting is possible, so you do your best, and if something goes wrong, you pray to the Light to help you deliver justice against those who would harm a child. The Woodshadowan addendum to that would be something along the lines of "when you're done praying, you go deliver justice yourself

[The_Universe]

Cool.

[Laurel]

Originally Posted by The_Universe

Also, as a general note on babies and the possibilities thereof, for the most part male/female physiology is the same across the humanoid species, which helps explain why (at the very least) humans, elves, and orcs can all interbreed so easily. Which, as a general rule, means the basic body processes are pretty much the same. As a result, the female characters are all reasonably aware of when in the average 28-day cycle she would be more or less likely to get pregnant, assuming that birth control is not being used.

So, for those of you whose characters this may be an issue for, are you:
1) trying to get pregnant
2) trying not to get pregnant
3) not trying one way or the other

It makes a difference as for how many times (and at what place in the chart) I have to roll.
Secondarily (I think I've mentioned this before) for all intents and purposes, humanoid pregnancies last for 8-10 months. Though the BoEF would suggest otherwise, the prevalence of half races practically requires that the timelines for embryonic growth be roughly similar.
Births are live, as well. Orcs don't hatch eggs, or whatever, or anything like that. As for birth control other than the ring of regeneration existing: as of the moment it does not. However, as the forgotten realms does have certain concoctions that do essentially the same thing as the "morning after" pill, I might be willing to entertain the possibility of a talented herbalist, alchemist, or apothecary creating something similar upon request.

#3 please as she is not actively going one way or the other
Also from long ago when L'Aurel found a journal (copied I would assume) of the amastatian and on her life in general what did it say of her fighting and babies, and loving before hubby and such? Really don't need detailed info unless you want to spend the time on it, but I'm sure you have better things or more pressing questions just within KOA
As for L'Aurel's actions.... well daily outfit is Amastatian, and she can be seen going and coming out of men's rooms, but she's not one to kiss and tell. So anything is speculation IC

Originally Posted by Xath

Xath and Archonus are not married yet. They decided to wait until after the babies were born because they want to be married in Sylvannus, and not all parties could attend while under the influence of the "Queen's Prediciment." Xath is not taking precautions (neither is she trying to get pregnant). I'm under the assumption that because the gestation period is the same, it must be much more difficult for elves to become pregnant as opposed to humans. Otherwise elves would completely dominate the continent. Something has to keep their population down. So I would assume that Xath's likelyhood of becomeing preggers is considerably less than Justice or L'Aurel should they not be taking precautions. But sure, Kennon could be rolling. I have no idea.

[Laurel]

Seems even more relevant since we now have at least one expectant mother in the group

[The_Universe]

Originally Posted by Laurel

Seems even more relevant since we now have at least one expectant mother in the group

If she's actually pregnant, then yes it is.

[Xath]

Here's one option from the Complete Guide to Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. Obviously, some of these aspects are not considered in our game.

1st Stage

- Check for mood swings at 55% chance.
- Check for morning sickness (20%).
- Lower constitution by 1 because of increased fatigue.

2nd Stage

- Check for mood swings for this stage at 65% chance.
- Check for morning sickness (25%).
- Lower constitution by an additional 1 for a total of -2 to constitution
because of increased fatigue.
- Increase in urination output.

3rd Stage

- Check for mood swings for this stage at 75% chance.
- Check for morning sickness (30%).
- Danger during spell-casting.
- Increase in urination output.

4th Stage

- Check for mood swings for this stage at 45% chance.
- Check for morning sickness (10%).
- Noticeable weight gain. Increase weight appropriate to race.
- Food cravings: Friends may be sent on wild treks to find exotic food to
curb the pregnant women's cravings.
- Lower dexterity by 1 due to loss of agility.
- Thief skills Climb and Move Silently suffer a -5%.
- +5% chance of spell failure due to discomfort.

5th Stage

- Check for mood swings for this stage at 35% chance.
- Check for morning sickness (05%).
- Weight gain. Increase weight appropriate to race.
- Food cravings.
- Lower dexterity by an additional 1 for a total of -2 to dexterity because
of lack of agility.
- Thief skills Climb and Move Silently suffer an additional -5%.
- +1d6% chance of spell failure due to discomfort.

6th Stage

- Check for mood swings for this stage at 25% chance.
- Weight gain. Increase weight appropriate to race. Adjustment to armor
size is likely and probably expensive.
- Food cravings.
- Lower dexterity by an additional 1 for a total of -3 to dexterity because
of lack of agility.
- Thief skills Climb and Move Silently suffer an added -1d10%.
- +1d6% chance of spell failure due to discomfort.

7th Stage

- Check for mood swings for this stage at 35% chance.
- Check for backache.
- Lower dexterity by an additional 1 for a total of -4 to dexterity because
of lack of agility.
- Speed cut by half. Must rest triple the normal amount of times.
- +1d6+6% chance of spell failure due to discomfort and lack of
concentration.

8th Stage

- Check for mood swings for this stage at 45% chance.
- Check for backache.
- Lower dexterity by an additional 1 for a total of -5 to dexterity because
of lack of agility.
- Speed cut by half. Must rest triple the normal amount of times.
- +2d6+3% chance of spell failure due to discomfort and lack of
concentration.


9th Stage

- Check for mood swings for this stage at 55% chance.
- Check for backache.
- Lower dexterity by an additional 1 for a total of -6 to dexterity because
of lack of agility.
- Speed cut by half. Must rest triple the normal amount of times.
- +3d6+2% chance of spell failure due to discomfort and lack of
concentration.
- Develops nesting habits (i.e. desire to make a warm, cozy home and prefer
not to go anywhere).

[Xath]

The Book of Erotic Fantasy spares a small sidebar for dealing with pregnancy.

First Trimester: nothing
Second Trimester: Movement reduced by 1/4 (round down), -2 penalty to Dex
Third Trimester: Movement reduced bu 1/2, -4 penalty to Dex, -2 Penalty to Str.

[The_Universe]

Originally Posted by Xath

The Book of Erotic Fantasy spares a small sidebar for dealing with pregnancy.

All of these detail the effect on the woman who is pregnant - I'm apt to let most of them apply.

The problem is that they don't have anything to do with the child itself, which is why not hanging out on the battlefield at 6 months pregnant is a bad idea.

When pregnant, a mother is *more* likely to survive almost anything you throw at her. But the child may not. THAT's the problem.

[Laurel]

Here's one that I tend to agree with from the other thread:

Originally Posted by [font=Times New Roman

Plansdragon[/font]]I'd say, "yes" to using status to monitor the child's health, but only after the first month. During pregnancy, any crtical hit or reduction of more than 50% of the mother's HP would result in a chance for a miscarriage -- I'd say make it a DC 20 fortitude save, made by the mother.

And I am trying to find it, but I saw this stated elsewhere.....

[Laurel]

Another grouping from the other thread on the kid:

1.Would the child get to make saves of thier own?
2.How does target spells like baleful polymorph work?
3.What about flesh to stone? baby remains unstoned dies without mother turning back quick enough?
4.Could someone target the baby? What would it's saves be?
5.Mothers are said to 'feel' thier children while in the womb. They know when something is wrong- is there a big bonus for any skill check the mother does on the kid?

Originally Posted by [font=Verdana

Sejs[/font]]I would personally say that until born, both child and mother are treated as a single entity - that of the mother. You polymorph one, they both get polymorphed. You petrify one, they both get petrified. However, I'd also run it if that the mother has to make a fort save, pass or fail, she'd have to make an additional fort save at a flat DC (say 15, or so) or the child does not survive the experience.

Originally Posted by [font=Verdana

Jmucchiello[/font]]1.Only if specifically targetted. I would say only divinations would be able to target the child since most other spells require line of sight to the target and the child has full cover.
The child otherwise would be treated as a held object for other saving throws (esp reflex saves).
2.This one is ugly. Choose either: the baby is likewise polymorphed and the mother will give birth in the new form as a creature of that form; OR the baby is expelled (with no damage to either target) during the transformation and may or may not be able to survive outside the mother. The answer to this and the next question depends on how you view similar situations with swallowed whole targets. See below....

3.I would have the baby fail automatically and if a break enchantment or stone to flesh restores the mother, then the baby is automatically restored as well.
The same applies to swallowed whole creatures. They should fail any fortitude save the swallowing creature fails. Doing it this way eliminates a lot of kooky exceptions and circumstances. Do you really want to have to guess how much is available inside the stomach of the Purple Worm after it is turned to stone? Or how many inches of stone the party has to cut through to find the swallowed companion? Yuck.

4.See above. I would give the baby an average CON equal the number of months in utero (scaled to the human 9 months for other races) and figure Fort based on the CON modifier. A fetus cannot make Reflex saves. Its Will save would be -5 since its Wisdom is no more than 1 until it attains more self-awareness at 3 post-utero months old. Any resistance bonuses possessed by the mother apply to the baby.

5.When applicable, I'd give a +4 circumstance bonus to a mother's sense motive checks. But I would also give the baby a +2 aid another bonus to all skill checks (even against mom) since her instinct is to help the baby.

If we counted the child and Jaine as one being for the labor stuff, then I think while the baby is growing they are also counted as one being- only one throw that mother provides for both.

[Laurel]

Are we going with the histoical cave man days when women ran around till labor? Not saying it is a good idea, just possible.....

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Originally Posted by Laurel

Are we going with the histoical cave man days when women ran around till labor? Not saying it is a good idea, just possible.....

Xath has about 3-4 months of safe adventuring and can probably back in action a month after she gives birth.

[Xath]

To clarify, Xath would most likely be fine adventuring up until she gives birth. It's the baby that would start having risks after 4 months.

And I believe it's just combat adventuring we're talking about. It's not as though she'll be bedridden. She'll still be able to manage her growing network and go on diplomatic missions.

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Originally Posted by Xath

To clarify, Xath would most likely be fine adventuring up until she gives birth. It's the baby that would start having risks after 4 months.

And I believe it's just combat adventuring we're talking about. It's not as though she'll be bedridden. She'll still be able to manage her growing network and go on diplomatic missions.

Well - being pregnant will also significantly effect Xath, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms... Her cha may go up, but her strength and ability to anything mildly tiring would become minimal...

*shrugs* Not a big deal, just the rules that Kennon set down when Liz thought Justice may become pregnant - and they won't even effect us that much as we have the ability to sort of gloss over those 7 or 8 months, anyway.

Indeed, she will still be able to do her diplomatic stuff and manage the spy network, but fighting is probably not such a good idea as it puts the baby in heaps and heaps of danger.

Also - can the baby suck up spells from inside the womb? (that's probably something we've discussed before, but I don't remember the answer). If so, there is a whole different sent of possible consequences to adventuring and traveling that needs to be explored...

[Laurel]

Originally Posted by Queen_Dopplepopolis

*shrugs* Not a big deal, just the rules that Kennon set down when Liz thought Justice may become pregnant - and they won't even effect us that much as we have the ability to sort of gloss over those 7 or 8 months, anyway....

Well, we are already five months down in the Xath pregnancy (If she knows at four months she's had the kid for a while- she wouldn't know the next morning), so really it would only have to be max 6 months.

And so far as I have read Kennon hasn't made any final on baby or mother stats or penalties. Which was part of the reason for this thread- to find out what those penalties and stats and bonus' would be for mom and baby.

[The_Universe]

Originally Posted by Xath

To clarify, Xath would most likely be fine adventuring up until she gives birth. It's the baby that would start having risks after 4 months.

And I believe it's just combat adventuring we're talking about. It's not as though she'll be bedridden. She'll still be able to manage her growing network and go on diplomatic missions.

Right. That's about how I see it. Nothing too strenuous for the last 2/3 of the pregnancy.

Originally Posted by Queen_Doppelpopolis

Also - can the baby suck up spells from inside the womb? (that's probably something we've discussed before, but I don't remember the answer). If so, there is a whole different sent of possible consequences to adventuring and traveling that needs to be explored...

It depends on if this child is marked. If it's not, it can't. If it is, it has a 25% chance of being able to suck up spells.

[The_Universe]

Originally Posted by Laurel

Well, we are already five months down in the Xath pregnancy (If she knows at four months she's had the kid for a while- she wouldn't know the next morning), so really it would only have to be max 6 months.

And so far as I have read Kennon hasn't made any final on baby or mother stats or penalties. Which was part of the reason for this thread- to find out what those penalties and stats and bonus' would be for mom and baby.

I want to get past the next part of the adventure before I decide what the stats for pregnancy are. Once that's done, I'll put some serious thought into it. But, as of the moment, the baby isn't providing any serious hindrance, so it's not going effect her stats in any serious way. Of course, if she gets stabbed in the lower torso or something, we may have a problem. But, apart from that, no penalties or benefits SO FAR.

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Originally Posted by Laurel

Well, we are already five months down in the Xath pregnancy (If she knows at four months she's had the kid for a while- she wouldn't know the next morning), so really it would only have to be max 6 months.

And so far as I have read Kennon hasn't made any final on baby or mother stats or penalties. Which was part of the reason for this thread- to find out what those penalties and stats and bonus' would be for mom and baby.

Just restating what I know to be the case with Justice... nothing final has been laid down, but there has been a lot of disucssion about the ability to adventure and alignment issues (a good character can't adventure when it poses a significant threat to the child).


Is there a way - other than Commune - to find out if the child will be marked?