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Place: DC Comics,
Time: "Superman" No. 178
Lex Luthor, now president of U.S. (according to DC Comics) uses the Satelite reconnaissance devices of U.S.A. to track a rocket from planet Krypton, which landed in Kansas 25 to 30 years ago (Comic-Time).
Luthor, who's been chasing Superman since "Action Comics" No. 23 (1940), kills the only other person who knows Superman's secret. The No. 178 "Superman" issues ends with Luthor in the oval office, muttering "Clark Kent is Superman."
I'm more worried about Batman than you Super. Even if Lex threatens your friends, Super, you can be there in an instant to save them. Batman doesn't have that luxury. Of course *you* know who Batman really is, don't you? Perhaps you might go out of your way to save some of his friends once in awhile. Don't talk to him about it ok? or he might have to beat you up, -again.
OK, since this is a superman thread I need to ask some questions regarding an article I read the other day. (Sorry, I don't remember the exact source but I was sitting and waiting for my wife to get her hair done. I'll read anything in a situation like that...).
They were talking about how in the WB show that arrival of Superman in Smallville was both a boon and bane. That the arrival of the spacecraft also brought meteors that brought on mutations and ruined Lex's hair, etc. etc. They went about how each generation re-writes their myth heros to fit the age (i.e. just like what has been happening to the King Arthur legend for hundreds of years).
The earlier version(s) of Superman had a messiah theme since the arrival of the 50's version brought only good. They were claiming that the arrival of the newest WB version had taken on aspects of a creater/destroyer since his arrival also heralded the arrival of mutations and other forms of nastiness.
There also was a passing reference to Buffy also having aspects of a creater/destroyer since her presence brings both good and bad. I don't watch that show so if anyone can explain that, it would be appreciated.
Although I have yet to watch Smallville (it hasn't premiered down here), I believe that article meant something along the lines "Would there be a Joker if there wasn't a Batman before?"
The whole creator/destroyer thing is a way of saying "If these heroes didn't exist, their enemies wouldn't have existed either". I may not agree with that theroy, but that's a whole new story.
In Smallaville, they needed something to challenge Clark, so they tied all those mutated, deranged teens to the kryptonite meteors that followed his ship to Earth. That way, he feels a sense of duty to stop them (planting the seed for the high-standards superhero he's destined to become). But a major complaint about the show is that it suffered from the "Kryptonite-enhanced villain of the week" syndrome, so they're beginning to steer a bit away from that formula.
Some rumors abound that Bruce Wayne may pass by Smallville during his around-the-world training trip.
And Supes already know Batman's ID. (X-Ray vision, y'know). At about the same time, Batman figured out Supes' ID.
Not to hijack the thread or anything but has anyone here picked up the new Frank miller Dark Knight 2 books yet?
I have #1&2 (of three) and they are very good. Don't know if I like them as much as the first Dark Knight series (but that was one of the best stories told in comics IMO), and some of the art is questionable (while some is simply outstanding).
The sotrytelling is still Miller's strong suit (obviously) and this is a great story. I don't want to reveal any spoliers here just wanted to see if anyone else has picked this up (and there is a link to Superman as he appears in the book more often than Bats)
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"Would there be a Joker if there wasn't a Batman before
Actually its "Would there be a Batman if there wasn't a Joker before" - it was the Joker who killed Bruces parents driving him to hide in that cave fill of bats that he was always having nightmares about.
The whole point of Batmans 'hero status' is that he is a flawed human who has overcome his fears and weaknesses to become 'super'
This is/was the complete opposite of Supermans 'hero status' was derives from his "Outsider" nature. He is more than human, superior in everyway. The Messianic parallel was entirely acceptable in the past as it linked clearly with older mythoological traditions (as did Batmans)
In our post-post-modern era however with its emphasis on secular humanism Batmans has become the favoured tradition that of flawed humanity overcoming its weaknesses to become heroes.
Smallville has recently started screening here (episode 4 I missed last week) and from what I can tell it has followed the 'Batman' tradition in its remaking of Clark as a flawed character beset with teenage angst - of course Teenage angst was bound to feature in the DC Comics meets Dawsons Creek Show but...ack ack barf!
It does suffer from villain of the week syndrome - like the Lightning Boy and Pyro-Coach - when it could have had the far cooler villains of the Buffy ilk - oh well maybe next season
I like that young Lex and young Clark are friends (of a sort) - it makes the later rivalry or the more compelling
Overall Smallville is nothing great but being Supes I'll watch it.
Buffy still rules in the Cool Teen focussed shows for adults category though
ps Did you guys see the Batman cartoon episode in which Tarzan featured and discovered Bruces identity from his scent! - cool
(now Tarzan, Lord Greystoke - theres a real hero!)
For those of you who were not aware: Except as portrayed in the Tim Burton film Batman, the Joker (Jack Napier) did not kill Bruce Wayne's parents; that was the work of an anonymous thug.
Originally posted by ruleslawyer Tries... to avoid... entering... discussion...
For those of you who were not aware: Except as portrayed in the Tim Burton film Batman, the Joker (Jack Napier) did not kill Bruce Wayne's parents; that was the work of an anonymous thug.
I believe the name of the thug is Jpe Chill
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I don't believe this crap for a second. Clark Kent is Superman?!? Pffft. Please. WAKE UP, people! Clark Kent wears glasses. Superman DOESN'T. So how can they POSSIBLY be the same person? Wouldn't Superman be all blind without his glasses?
God, whoever dreamed up this idiotic theory needs to stop hitting the crack pipe ...
Duh Superman wears contacts while Clark wears glasses.
It was Joe Chill a minor thug who killed Bruce Wayne's parents (although DC likes to keep rewriting the back story).
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Originally posted by Holy Bovine Not to hijack the thread or anything but has anyone here picked up the new Frank miller Dark Knight 2 books yet?
Yep, picked it up for my brother. I really, REALLY dislike Miller's art, not sure how much that affects my opinion on the books as a whole though. The first one's ok to good the second one was lacking, something.
Superman can`t wear contact lenses because they would melt when his laser shots through them. Even contact lenses must absorb some energy...
Glasses would be much better, because you can easily turn them off. (The last think I know definitely, i wear glasses )
Originally posted by Mustrum_Ridcully Superman can`t wear contact lenses because they would melt when his laser shots through them. Even contact lenses must absorb some energy...
Glasses would be much better, because you can easily turn them off. (The last think I know definitely, i wear glasses )
Do you mean take them off? Or do you have so cool futuristic glasses with an on/off button that makes them disappear on command?
Originally posted by Green Knight I don't believe this crap for a second. Clark Kent is Superman?!? Pffft. Please. WAKE UP, people! Clark Kent wears glasses. Superman DOESN'T. So how can they POSSIBLY be the same person? Wouldn't Superman be all blind without his glasses?
God, whoever dreamed up this idiotic theory needs to stop hitting the crack pipe ...
Glad to see someone has his head screwed on right.
There's no way I could be Clark.
He has glasses, and he's mild mannered, not to mention the fact he doesn't have a cape now does he.
Look there's Clark, he's over there.
-Superman points behind you-
Oh, sorry, you just missed him.
Maybe if you run around the corner real fast you can catch him and find out what he thinks about all this.
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Originally posted by Turlogh Duh Superman wears contacts while Clark wears glasses.
I DON'T wear contact lenses.
I have SUPER-vision and X-Ray-Vision and HEAT-Vision.
Anyway Contacts would melt.
Glasses would melt too.
So as you can see there is no way I'm Clark Kent.
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Originally posted by Ruvion Ah...but Superman has a "cool" curling hairdo, while Mr. Kent doesn't...
Originally posted by Mustrum_Ridcully Superman can`t wear contact lenses because they would melt when his laser shots through them. Even contact lenses must absorb some energy...
Glasses would be much better, because you can easily turn them off. (The last think I know definitely, i wear glasses )
Yeah your right, I can't wear contacts.
Turn them off?
I don't even know how to turn off glasses so there is no way I could do that ether.
Mustrum_Ridcully you seem to know a lot about glass.
What are you some kind of reporter or something?
Is your Secret Identity Clark Kent?
You know I have X-Ray Vision.
Don't worry, I wont tell.
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Originally posted by Welverin Do you mean take them off? Or do you have so cool futuristic glasses with an on/off button that makes them disappear on command?
Yeah, maybe Batman has glasses that turn off and on,
but I've never heard of them before.
For some reason I'm thinking of the superhero logic in Mystery Men now.
The secret ID thing has gone around for some time. There have been a few times where it turned out Bats and Supes knew each other's ID's. The movies are the worst for this. I swear Batman was trying to give away his secret ID in the movies most of the time.
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1 - Batman believed Joe Chill (a common thug) killed his parents. Chill was killed by a supervillain during Batman: Year Two (by Todd MacFarlane). But later Bats found out Chill (although he was a killer) wasn't the man who killed his father. So Bruce's neverending crusade is not resolved. He now strikes at the whole criminal community, turning it into the embodiment of the man who killed his parents.
2 - John Byrne explained that Clark hunches forward a bit, combs his hair back, wear deep-lensed glasses and speaks in a much softer tone than Superman. The result is a completely different visual, like Robert de Niro usually do in his movies. Add to that the fact that no one thinks that Supes has a secret id, and the illusion is cast. during the Byrne run, Supes used a trick that Jay Garrick (Flash I) came up with, and constantly blurred his face to avoid photographs, so no one knew the exact details of his face.
3 - Yes, the movie Batman is a sucker for a blonde. I mean, all blondes in the movies were told his ID. The comics Batman takes this much more seriously, to the point that he hypnotized himself so that, if confronted by undeniable evidence that Batman in Bruce Wayne, he'd split his mind, and be Bruce Wayne until he heard the key phrase (which was Dick Grayson's oath as Robin: Never to sway from the path of justice...).
nature. He is more than human, superior in everyway. The Messianic parallel was entirely acceptable in the past as it linked clearly with older mythoological traditions (as did Batmans)
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