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Old 10th April 2002, 09:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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(OT) Buffy Germany, Finale

WoW!

I can't remember when a TV series had me moved to tears, nearly.

That was a cool episode, to boot.

For those of you who are years ahead, today Buffy sacrificed herself in her sister's place, fighting Glory.

Not only did Spike become a great character in the series, but even Anja is getting more and more fleshed out.

When Giles killed Glory, when Anja saved Zander and not herself, and when Willow showed yet another high-level-spell!

And then Buffy tossed that demon aside, saved Dawn, and jumped off!

Great! I can't await how it continues.

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Now to see how Angel escapes the parallel dimension.

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Old 10th April 2002, 09:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The end of the fifth season was very good. The next season is very interesting. Here in the states I think we are 75% through the sixth season. The Angel finally for tthird season was also very good. I really like the character Fred.
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Old 10th April 2002, 09:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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BÄH! So ein scheiß. I hate buffy...
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Old 10th April 2002, 09:45 PM   #4 (permalink)
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**Please, no Buffy-haters. If you don't like the show, fine - go read something else. Bitch not here.**

The Season-ender for #5 was a doozy. And I think they did (and I am assuming that you know Buffy is coming back, in one form or another) a great job of handling her return.

You'll be in for a lot of really neat and really heartbreaking stuff in Season Six. Season Three of Angel is pretty cool, too!


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Old 10th April 2002, 09:49 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Okay, no more bitching. BUT...

I visited a course that my g/f has to take (she's stuying biology), on "the developement of the human species", and you wouln't BELIEVE what we found out...

The skull of the actor who plays Angel looks JSUT LIKE the skull of a Neanderthal man...

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Old 10th April 2002, 10:08 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I myself am a huge fan of the show, but this season has been a little slow in my opinion. Before you light the torches and grab the pitch-forks, let me explain.

This has been one of those "filler" seasons, where we take care of all the lose stuff that is laying around in the series. While I love the "super-geeks", there is no nemesis for Buffy and the gang to deal with.

And I am sorry, but this series is turning into the X-files really quickly. No one can win, there are no happy endings, no little victories for anyone, it is depressing. I am a fan of working over the heroes of the series, it shows their character, but this is getting ridiculous. How bad can these people have it? Will they ever get a clean win without someone getting mind-fried, maimed, or dead?

At least Angel is moving forward.

Am I the only one who feels this way?

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Old 10th April 2002, 10:16 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Eh, I didn't like the Buffy Jump Into Portal thing. The connection ("The monks gave you the form of a Summers, so we have the same blood") was just too silly for me.

As well, through this season, I've come to dislike Dawn even more. The whole God thing of last season wasn't that great either. Willow's spell casting has quickly gotten too powerful for my tastes, overshadowing not only the other's in the group, but even the Slayer.

I still like the show somewhat, but it took a big downhill turn for me during the Initiative part, and hasn't recovered.
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Old 10th April 2002, 10:17 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Am I the only one who feels this way?
No, I haven't liked most of the this season, fifth season was awesome though.
Even the reruns of older seasons are pretty good.
There is something messed up with the writers this year.

Angel is pretty good still, well... we'll see, I wonder how they are going to handle next weeks episode.
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Old 10th April 2002, 10:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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i KNOW someone didnt bash David Boreanaz!!

I went to a conference with a lady here in Atlanta about the culture of Buffy and such. She explained a lot about this season that makes a lot of sense.

And yes ... She saved the world ... Alot
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Old 10th April 2002, 10:30 PM   #10 (permalink)
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So Fred remians, huh? I'm speaking of Angel, of course.

In hope they don't ditch Wesley for her.

I liked in this finale how Wesley knowingly sent rebels to the death... but the best episodes were halfway through, when Bad Angel came through, leaving those lawyers to death and so on...

And, it's not the title, it's the clothes that make you a princess (Speaking of Cordelia)

As to Buffy:
I thought the blood connection was pretty neat, though I didn't take it literally, but I thought of it more in a spiritual way. Dawn was family, the same blood run through their veins, figuratively. And their love for each other, their bond, was strong enough to count regarding the ritual.

I think Willow had to become powerful, so as to bring Buffy back later on.
Also, it helped to establish how much more powerful Glory was compared to Buffy, as tghe latter didn't have a chance until the final confrontation (tm). So I took it not only as character development, but also as necessary for the story somehow - and I'm a sucker for mighty spellweaving as opposed to the wielding of rubber hammers

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Old 10th April 2002, 10:37 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Well, if they wanted to split off Willow, The Wiccan Wonder, I'm sure people would watch yet a third show :-)
But, there haven't been any magic-tossers of her level in the show before, and she's still young. She's just too powerful IMO. It'd be nice if she was more detection oriented, rather than tossing around damaging spells.

Even Tara has some "fling people" spells cast on demand.

::shrug::

As for the Blood connection, the energy that is/ was Dawn was the key, not the flesh and blood. Allowing the sacrifice because Dawn masquerades as a flesh creature stretches the metaphor too much for my tastes. It's more fitting the backdrop to fit the plot, rather than planning it out ahead of time IMO.
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This season is a different sort of Big Bad. I don't expect Buffy to stick to 'type' over and over again. The fact that the show is in a constant state of evolution is what keeps bringing me back show after show, season after season.

Keep watching...I promise it gets more interesting.
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I myself am a huge fan of the show, but this season has been a little slow in my opinion. Before you light the torches and grab the pitch-forks, let me explain.

This has been one of those "filler" seasons, where we take care of all the lose stuff that is laying around in the series. While I love the "super-geeks", there is no nemesis for Buffy and the gang to deal with.

And I am sorry, but this series is turning into the X-files really quickly. No one can win, there are no happy endings, no little victories for anyone, it is depressing. I am a fan of working over the heroes of the series, it shows their character, but this is getting ridiculous. How bad can these people have it? Will they ever get a clean win without someone getting mind-fried, maimed, or dead?

At least Angel is moving forward.

Am I the only one who feels this way?

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I agree this is too dark. It is one thing after another. No one laughs and the lighthearted storylines are gone. I did not like when they changed Buffy to this dark, always depressed character, now they have done it to the entire cast. The only episode I realy enjoyed this year was the musical.
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Personally, this season reminds me of my own D&D campaigns. . .

Buffy's "big bad" is life itself - the show has a history of allegory - WIllow's witchcraft, Buffy's abusive relatiosnhip with Spike, Dawn's suffering because she is being raised by an older sister who doesn't have her own stuff together (i almost used profanity ), dealing with a crappy job because you have to - this is all great stuff. . . very adult stuff. . .
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I PERSONALLY think that the only sane person in the whole series is Spike. But then I loved Babylon 5, and cheer for the Klingons in Star Trek, so what do I know...

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Yeah and there is another thing, Spike. When is he going to get a little pay-off? Sure he and Buffy..yeah yeah yeah..but even that is not for the reasons he wants.

If Spike is going to be bad, then let him be bad. All this time they have said, "oooh Spike killed two slayers..he is the big bad.." But Buffy punks him on a regular basis. Throw the dog a bone and let him pick a side. Spike does not wear forced neutrality well, it was cool for a while, but he needs to get on with one or the other. Is he the next hero? Or is he the real nemesis that is going to push Buffy to her limits? I like the later of the two.

I am with you Alla, I rooted for the Empire to win and I wanted Luke to turn to the dark side. Long live the villains!!!!

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Okay, no more bitching. BUT...

I visited a course that my g/f has to take (she's stuying biology), on "the developement of the human species", and you wouln't BELIEVE what we found out...

The skull of the actor who plays Angel looks JSUT LIKE the skull of a Neanderthal man...

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And what?

The Neandertals are as the cro-magnon part of our ancestorship.
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**Partial Spoiler**

I personally love the show and think its great, but I do agree that is a bit depressing, I was anxious to see The Zan Man and Anya get married to bring some happiness to the season, but allas he left her at the alter, the only truly "moving" part that I've seen yet is Spike and Buffy, and when she broke up with him she called him William, I felt that that was an exceptional scene with tremendous emotion, I think that even my old theatre teacher would have to agree with that one.
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And what?

The Neandertals are as the cro-magnon part of our ancestorship.
IIRC, it's more of an "uncle" on the family tree of evolution, i.e. an older relative but not a direct ancestor of modern man.
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I agree this is too dark. [...] The only episode I realy enjoyed this year was the musical.
Which is amusing, since the musical more-or-less predicted the season (Tara sang: "Everything is turning out so dark"), in many ways.

Tabula Rasa was, IMO, the funniest episode this year, what with "Randy Giles" and all.
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