Covers Preview for Elemental Evil Adventurer's Handbook and Princes of the Apocalypse!
  • Covers Preview for Elemental Evil Adventurer's Handbook and Princes of the Apocalypse!


    With the New Year, we finally get a glimpse at the covers of the upcoming Elemental Evil storyline for D&D 5E - Princes of the Apocalypse and the accompanying player sourcebook, Adventurer's Handbook.

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    Not hi res at all, but it's something!
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    1. Giltonio_Santos's Avatar
      Giltonio_Santos -
      So, it's official now. The Elder Elemental Eye has been somehow released from The World of Greyhawk to unleash havoc in the Realms. No fantasy world was described in more detail than the Forgotten Realms, and they still manage to produce not one, but two storylines in a row with themes and antagonists that have nothing to do with the Realms. Good job, Wizards.
    1. the Jester's Avatar
      the Jester -
      Yeah, had these not been set in the Realms, they would have been an almost sure-fire sell to me.

      In the Realms? No interest.

      For Christ's sake, the Temple of Elemental Evil, the Elder Elemental Eye and the whole elemental evil cult thing are all huge fixtures of Greyhawk. Sigh.
    1. Vael's Avatar
      Vael -
      More Realms? I'm really wishing for non-Realms adventures. We'll see what goes into the Adventurer's Handbook. Hopefully it's not too specific to this adventure path.
    1. Sailor Moon's Avatar
      Sailor Moon -
      Is Wizards in some sort of self destruct mode when it comes to the Forgotten Realms?
    1. TheCelric's Avatar
      TheCelric -
      Quote Originally Posted by Giltonio_Santos View Post
      So, it's official now. The Elder Elemental Eye has been somehow released from The World of Greyhawk to unleash havoc in the Realms. No fantasy world was described in more detail than the Forgotten Realms, and they still manage to produce not one, but two storylines in a row with themes and antagonists that have nothing to do with the Realms. Good job, Wizards.
      http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wik..._Elemental_Eye

      It obviously didn't take the same form as it did in Greyhawk, but it's certainly a thing in the Realms. The first recorded cult was the same year that Drizzt came to the surface, The Pool of Radiance was seized by Tyranthraxus, and Sembia went to war in Featherdale.

      Personally, I withhold judgement until it does something that "breaks" the Realms in a bad way until I condemn it. This seems like something that could easily happen in Chessenta again (where they (still) revere a Red Dragon as demi-god), and the PC's are once again there to stamp it out (maybe even with a throw-back call up from Mystra).
    1. Jester David's Avatar
      Jester David -
      Quote Originally Posted by Giltonio_Santos View Post
      So, it's official now. The Elder Elemental Eye has been somehow released from The World of Greyhawk to unleash havoc in the Realms. No fantasy world was described in more detail than the Forgotten Realms, and they still manage to produce not one, but two storylines in a row with themes and antagonists that have nothing to do with the Realms. Good job, Wizards.
      I have to agree with this sentiment.

      They've said they'll do other settings IF they have a story, and then they pull stories from other settings to force them into the Realms.

      Which also isn't nice on the Realms. It's taking an established setting and forcing a story into that world, changing lore to accommodate the storyline. Like how they had to radically change the motives and plans of the Cult of the Dragon for their first storyline. That's not how you tell a story set in an established world. The story is meant to fit and compliment the world and if a bit of lore doesn't mesh then the story has to change to accommodate the world, not the other way around.
    1. Astrosicebear -
      IM ok with it.

      Takes the best of Greyhawk, gods and badasses, and puts it in the Realms, which had better locations and flavors.
    1. Jester David's Avatar
      Jester David -
      Quote Originally Posted by Vael View Post
      More Realms? I'm really wishing for non-Realms adventures. We'll see what goes into the Adventurer's Handbook. Hopefully it's not too specific to this adventure path.
      Keep in mind the storylines will also tie into the organized play program, affecting the villains and themes of those adventures. So they have to be in the Realms until that establishes themselves or they develop a method of moving between worlds. So the first real non-Realms adventure might be a Planescape/ extraplanar affair to allow PCs (or plots) to easily move between worlds.
    1. Sailor Moon's Avatar
      Sailor Moon -
      Seems to me they are trying to turn FR into a generic world.
    1. Jester David's Avatar
      Jester David -
      Three thoughts:

      1) I expected the title to be "Elemental Evil Adventurer's Handbook" not just "Adventurer's Handbook". The latter sounds far too generic and not storyline specific with the title being so large and the little corner logo being so small. It will be harder to have an Adventurer's Handbook for other Adventure Paths without possible confusion.
      I imagine this accessory *could* be a little more generic to serve as your standard splatbook in addition to player sourcebook on elemental evils. But that's a little lame when elemental power is such a cool theme in and of itself. There's nothing in the cover or title that screams "this is the book if you want to make an elemental themed character!!"

      2) The covers are kinda bland. I'm not getting "phenomenal elemental power" from the Adventurer's Handbook. I'm getting pissed off druid. Ditto Princes of the Apocalypse. It doesn't seem very culty or Evil Elemental Eye-ish. Is that meant to be an evil sylph?

      3) It's neat to see the covers. But what I *really* want to know is the pagecount, to see if they're large enough to justify the expense. Or if they're little tiny things. We know they're $40 and $50 respectively. As it's priced the same as the Core books, is the adventure a 320-page book? Or is it 200-pages, like two Tyranny of Dragons books combined? Is the Handbook at *least* 200-pages as well? (If so, why is it $10 cheaper.)
    1. Sir Brennen's Avatar
      Sir Brennen -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jester Canuck View Post
      I expected the title to be "Elemental Evil Adventurer's Handbook" not just "Adventurer's Handbook". The latter sounds far too generic and not storyline specific with the title being so large and the little corner logo being so small. It will be harder to have an Adventurer's Handbook for other Adventure Paths without possible confusion.
      I imagine this accessory *could* be a little more generic to serve as your standard splatbook in addition to player sourcebook on elemental evils. But that's a little lame when elemental power is such a cool theme in and of itself. There's nothing in the cover or title that screams "this is the book if you want to make an elemental themed character!!"
      It's hard to make out in the low res images, but the black area in the upper left of both covers I think reads "Elemental Evil"... so perhaps the correct title IS "Elemental Evil Adventurer's Handbook"
    1. BrockBallingdark -
      I'm not a Forgotten Realms setting fan and never played the Grewhawk setting but certainly remember the Temple of Elemental Evil. It can be ported to any setting, I would find a place for it in Eberron.

      I can see where some are getting upset with either FR being diluted with other setting stuff or taking from another setting that you want an official release for.

      For someone new to the hobby, they may think the "Adventurer's Handbook" is a supplement to 5E rules, not specific to Elemental Evil. I'm curious on what I could strip from it, if I'm not running Princes of the Apocalypse. I do love the cover art for both books though it certainly does not make me think of any Elemental Evil.
    1. Giltonio_Santos's Avatar
      Giltonio_Santos -
      Quote Originally Posted by TheCelric View Post
      http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wik..._Elemental_Eye

      It obviously didn't take the same form as it did in Greyhawk, but it's certainly a thing in the Realms.
      Ouch. This whole "Abyssal Plague" story sounds like the kind of thing I used to enjoy as a 12-years old young nerd. Now I wish I had never learned about its existence. Ignorance is bliss, after all.
    1. Joe Liker's Avatar
      Joe Liker -
      Setting doesn't matter too much to me -- it's not that hard to transplant events from the Realms to another world.

      What bothers me is that these are being created by an outside studio. The track record for such products for 5e has been astonishingly wretched so far.
    1. Parmandur's Avatar
      Parmandur -
      Seems pretty clear that they are doing Realms stuff for OP and the Neverwinter MMO to tie into; more than OP, they should get a Sigil-based MMO to tie anything, anywhere together.

      Covers are alright; if the setting is as central as it is inToD, which is to say not much, shouldn't be a problem to port or file the serial numbers off.

      If the quality matches Rick Bakers other recent adventure, this should kick ass.
    1. Henry's Avatar
      Henry -
      I hope it works for Wizards, but I didn't see the appeal with the Dragon Queen stuff, and I'm just not seeing the appeal here either. If I want Realms action, I'm busting out the Zhentarim; Manshoon; Halaster Blackcloak; Karsus and the Netherese Shades; Orcus; Moander or Tyranthraxus. I don't care about Tiamat (belongs to Krynn, really) or Tharizdun (belongs to Oerth in my mind). I kind of share Giltonio_Santos' sentiments in that respect.
    1. Sadrik's Avatar
      Sadrik -
      It might be better to have these setting neutral for all there modules they bring out. Put in them how to attach them to all of the established settings (or popular ones at least). Not an issue for me.

      Another thing is we have these long historical settings that have tremendous backstory (i.e. people to bitch about something not right). We need to see a new setting.
    1. the Jester's Avatar
      the Jester -
      Quote Originally Posted by Giltonio_Santos View Post
      Ouch. This whole "Abyssal Plague" story sounds like the kind of thing I used to enjoy as a 12-years old young nerd. Now I wish I had never learned about its existence. Ignorance is bliss, after all.
      They couldn't even get the details right when porting Tharizdun into the Realms- he/it is NOT imprisoned in the Abyss, but rather in the "demiplane of imprisonment", hidden away deep deep deep in the ether.

      Of course, 4e also took the "Tharizdun = Abyssal" approach. Sadly.
    1. Mad Zagyg's Avatar
      Mad Zagyg -
      These book covers need more lightning in them.
    1. Prism's Avatar
      Prism -
      Quote Originally Posted by the Jester View Post
      They couldn't even get the details right when porting Tharizdun into the Realms- he/it is NOT imprisoned in the Abyss, but rather in the "demiplane of imprisonment", hidden away deep deep deep in the ether.

      Of course, 4e also took the "Tharizdun = Abyssal" approach. Sadly.
      That's just a public wiki not official. 4e source said he created the abyss but was not imprisoned there. For me, Tharizdun as portrayed by Gary Gygax is far more powerful than a god within a single prime/pantheon and I'm fine with him being a force of evil across many worlds. Having said that I'm not sure the elemental evil cult is a strong enough idea to cross prime planes. Surely a god of pure evil would have a wealth of more interesting faces than being the big bad elemental guy on each plane
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