4E DnD Insider Moving; No Longer Available To New Subscribers
  • 4E DnD Insider Moving; No Longer Available To New Subscribers


    WotC's online tools for D&D 4th Edition were one of the best things about that edition. Just the character builder alone was a must-have tool. The tools are now moving and - more importantly - are no longer available to new subscribers. Existing subscribers can still access the tools, and renew their subscriptions. Online support for D&D 5th Edition, of course, currently includes the Dragon+mobile news app, the free rules PDFs for the game's basic rules, and the Fantasy Grounds virtual table.

    The following note can be found on WotC's website:

    The D&D Insider tools are moving, but they’re still available to current subscribers.

    Subscribers can access the tools at dndinsider.com. The tools are not available to new subscribers at this time, but existing subscribers can continue to renew the service as normal. The subscription to D&D Insider includes:

    • Dragon magazine and Dungeon magazine online
    • D&D Character Builder
    • D&D Compendium
    • D&D Adventure Tools
    • Art and Map Galleries

    These tools are for the fourth edition of the Dungeons & Dragons tabletop roleplaying game. If you're interested in online support for fifth edition D&D, you can refer to the online basic rules or check out what's available on Fantasy Grounds.
    Comments 35 Comments
    1. Over the Hill Gamer's Avatar
      Over the Hill Gamer -
      There's something fundamentally dysfunctional with WotC's approach to its digital tools for D&D. While 4e might have been flawed, the D&D Insider tools were extremely useful and, quite frankly, essential to the game. They've produced a great game in 5e but have failed to produce even minimal digital tools. I think they at least need to get a usable character generator online. Or allow 3rd party vendors to produce them. Whatever the solution, I hope one can be found in 2016.

      By the way, Fantasy Grounds is dated and not very fun to use.
    1. mykesfree's Avatar
      mykesfree -
      I loved the 4e Digital Tools and probably hung onto my subscription longer than I needed to. I hope WotC decides to make a 5E builder, or just tack a 5E module onto the 4E one.
    1. darkbard's Avatar
      darkbard -
      As I noted in the Forums over the weekend, access to the tools at the new location is spotty, at best, right now. I've been able to access nothing but a broken link since yesterday, and content was intermittently available before that.
    1. smiteworks's Avatar
      smiteworks -
      I liked them and kept my subscription active for probably a year and a half after I last played D&D 4E.

      I had a blast playing 4E over Fantasy Grounds, but I had also built up a nice set of data modules so I could automate the majority of the combat. I would use the character builder from DDI to build the characters and then export them to import into Fantasy Grounds using the Character Converter utility that we provide. There was no reason for us to build out the character building features since DDI's tools already did this very well.

      This is an example of what it looked like on Fantasy Grounds. Unfortunately, we never secured a license for distribution of content and our current license is only for D&D fifth edition.


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    1. Nylanfs's Avatar
      Nylanfs -
      OGL, OGL, OGL
    1. Grimstaff -
      Almost as if they making way for something new...
    1. Grimstaff -
      Dragonmag.com?
    1. darjr's Avatar
      darjr -
      Dragonmag.com is goofy on my phone. Checking desktop.


      Much better. @morris check it out.
    1. Jer's Avatar
      Jer -
      Quote Originally Posted by Grimstaff View Post
      Almost as if they making way for something new...
      More like finally moving them off the main site because 4e is now over a year gone and is no longer supported by them outside of the digital tools.
    1. Paraxis -
      The old offline character builder with the CBloader hack is way better anyway and free.
    1. ZE_Lumis's Avatar
      ZE_Lumis -
      I see people complaining about Fantasy Grounds, but my group uses it to play Out of the Abyss and it has been nothing but smooth sailing. I love it. Much better than Roll20 so far.
    1. Jester David's Avatar
      Jester David -
      That's unfortunate.
      While moving might make it easier to find, blocking new subs makes it harder for people to re-up to scratch their 4e itch for a one-shot or mini-campaign. It means a slow loss of subs with no way of replacement. It seems like they're trying to kill the program.
    1. MwaO's Avatar
      MwaO -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jester Canuck View Post
      That's unfortunate.
      While moving might make it easier to find, blocking new subs makes it harder for people to re-up to scratch their 4e itch for a one-shot or mini-campaign. It means a slow loss of subs with no way of replacement. It seems like they're trying to kill the program.
      There are a number of strange things going on there, but I suspect the following two things are true:
      Non-core(aka 4e digital services) costs are borne by D&D, but the revenues falls under other. And sub acquisition is likely the most expensive aspect of DDI because they need their account set up. So every new sub puts the D&D profit margins in the wrong direction. There just isn't enough momentum or cost to justify completely killing it right away.

      Some brainiac figured out there probably isn't much of a market for Dragon/Dungeon magazines at $3 a pop at the various online stores if you can just become a sub for a month and download them all.
    1. werecorpse's Avatar
      werecorpse -
      Darn it, only ever played 4e once (not my cup of tea) but I kept meaning to sign up to download the dungeon magazines to mine for adventures to convert to other systems. Is that still doable?
    1. Nibelung's Avatar
      Nibelung -
      Quote Originally Posted by Paraxis View Post
      The old offline character builder with the CBloader hack is way better anyway and free.
      The main reason I still keep a DDI subscription is not the builder (I agree, the CBloader hack is better. Specially because I can add house rules via xml edit), but the Compendium. That one is absurdly valuable when you scratch your head and want to see if there is a "undead elite brute that resist cold" or something like that. Or checking for a feat that "modifies Cleave" or "give something else to use your opportunity actions" or "synergizes with high Wisdom".

      The magazines were cool when they were being released. The Compendium is the real gold of DDI after the system was done.
    1. Evenglare's Avatar
      Evenglare -
      I really wish they would make all of this stuff OGL. I get it's their IP, but if they aren't going to do anything with it, then they should just release it into the wild. It's akin to a child not playing with their toy, but yet doesn't want anyone else to play with it. Yeah, okay, it's theirs but if they don't care about it, why do they not want others to get enjoyment out of it? Yes, it's the law, but not all laws make sense all of the time. /2cents
    1. The Fighter-Cricket's Avatar
      The Fighter-Cricket -
      Quote Originally Posted by Evenglare View Post
      I really wish they would make all of this stuff OGL. I get it's their IP, but if they aren't going to do anything with it, then they should just release it into the wild.
      I wish the same, deeply and sincerely. But companies are not about granting wishes - they do bznz. And when they take out DDI and bury it under a huge boulder of ready to use cease-and-desist forms then maybe some of the heartbroken 4E players will try to cure their grieve with some 5E.

      Quote Originally Posted by Evenglare View Post
      It's akin to a child not playing with their toy, but yet doesn't want anyone else to play with it. Yeah, okay, it's theirs but if they don't care about it, why do they not want others to get enjoyment out of it?
      I don't want to get too political here but, you know, that's the usual way our economical system works. *capitalism* *cough* It shouldn't be too much of a suprise for all of us really.
    1. Manchu2's Avatar
      Manchu2 -
      I have a ddi account, but I lost the password and username and haven't logged in for two years, but it just renewed and charged me... argh.
    1. darjr's Avatar
      darjr -
      Quote Originally Posted by Manchu2 View Post
      I have a ddi account, but I lost the password and username and haven't logged in for two years, but it just renewed and charged me... argh.
      I have asked and gotten a refund from wotc when I cancelled. That was a while ago, but I imagine they'll do the same here.
    1. Manchu2's Avatar
      Manchu2 -
      Do you have a good email / phone number for that? I am stationed in Italy and don't have all of my files to track down the info. thanks,
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