No WotC At Gen Con This Year?


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  • No WotC At Gen Con This Year?


    It looks like Wizards of the Coast will not be attending Gen Con this year. They've just posted a list of the conventions they'll be attending in 2016, and noted their intention to support conventions that they don't normally get to attend. "Gen Con is not on this list because we are changing things up to support more conventions and locations. Even though the Dungeons & Dragons team wonít be there we know our friends at Baldman Games will be hosting plenty of D&D adventures. Itís safe to say there will be ample opportunity to play Dungeons & Dragons during Gen Con. Weíre excited to head to some new conventions this year and meet folks who donít have the opportunity to travel to Indianapolis."





    The list of conventions WotC will be attending is Winter Fantasy (February, Fort Wayne, IN), Gary Con (March, Lake Geneva, WI), PAX East (April, Boston MA), Origins (June, Columbus OH), and PAX Prime (August, Seattle WA).

    Chris Perkins will be hosting another Acquisitions Inc event at PAX East, and Origins will be the "D&D tabletop gaming event of the year" with sneak peeks and a return of the D&D Open. PAX Prime will have the highest concentration of D&D staff present.

    Read more about their convention plans here.
    Comments 92 Comments
    1. DEFCON 1's Avatar
      DEFCON 1 -
      Heh... I was wondering how long it would take for someone to finally notice this. I saw it on Friday and thought "Oh man, this will send some people apoplectic", and figured someone would mention it at some point to send some folks into a tizzy. I considered making a post about it when I first saw it, but decided against deliberately setting up the stick for which to poke the bear. But now that the stick is out, I'm interested to see how many bears are going to be poked by it and how many "WotC is the demon company!" posts we're going to get since they are leaving GenCon to Baldman Games.
    1. Von Ether's Avatar
      Von Ether -
      Gary Con?

      Looks like WotC is still courting the old school crowd.

      I have a running debate with a friend of mine. He thinks 5e's simpler focus and the old school movement is coincidence. That the old school customer base isn't a market force compared to Pathfinder.

      I disagree. IMO It's just so fragmented across so many companies and free products that's hard to track.
    1. Zaran's Avatar
      Zaran -
      Does anyone know if Gen Con extremely expensive these days? I feel like the reason is that they just don't have any overhead to spend for the trip.
    1. DEFCON 1's Avatar
      DEFCON 1 -
      On a more serious note... I've got to think running or doing anything at GenCon probably costs more than most other conventions (if for the fees they charge if nothing else)... so taking that part of the budget and splitting it up over many more smaller conventions might make sense (for this year if nothing else.)

      Say what you will about WotC, but this entire edition cycle has been about changing things up from how they've traditionally been done in the past... and not sending the staff to GenCon seems to follow that pattern. But like everything... they can go back and change things for the next year if they find their instincts took them astray.
    1. Jester Canuck's Avatar
      Jester Canuck -
      This is unfortunate.
      Other than Pax Prime, the conventions are effectively large local cons. They pull from a wide area but aren't likely to bring people together from across the county. You don't get nearly the number of people as GenCon.

      I really don't get the abandonment of GenCon. Because it's the biggest it brings in so many different fans. Getting out to other cons is fine, but you don't ignore the best four days in gaming in the process....
    1. Morrus's Avatar
      Morrus -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jester Canuck View Post

      I really don't get the abandonment of GenCon. Because it's the biggest it brings in so many different fans. Getting out to other cons is fine, but you don't ignore the best four days in gaming in the process....
      It's the only US-based one that non-American fans tend to be able to go to, too.

      Actually, I take that back - the PAXes are bigger than Gen Con, I think. Lots of folks from around the world there, I should think.
    1. MerricB's Avatar
      MerricB -
      Jeremy Crawford will be at GenCon, even if none of the other Wizards people will be... (he posted that on Facebook).

      Cheers!
    1. DevoutlyApathetic's Avatar
      DevoutlyApathetic -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jester Canuck View Post
      This is unfortunate.
      Other than Pax Prime, the conventions are effectively large local cons. They pull from a wide area but aren't likely to bring people together from across the county. You don't get nearly the number of people as GenCon.
      PAX East isn't really a local con at all and I wouldn't describe Origins that way as well but it's been ages since I went to one.
    1. Feeroper's Avatar
      Feeroper -
      I suspect PAX is the more expensive con and also resource intensive with the majority of their staff there. As PAX Prime takes place in August as well, they will choose it over Gen Con likely to grow the hobby by stoking the interest of new potential players from PAX which has a higher attendance (not to mention the average attendee of PAX will have less baggage given edition wars and such that would be more prevailent with a Gen Con attendee). WotC was essentially not at Gen Con last year either.

      I think it is a damn shame regardless though, that D&D has no official support at the biggest con in the industry. I understand the business side of it, but I do wish they would come out, even a small representation for a couple panels and a booth. I am not particularly interested in going to PAX. It is what it is however.
    1. Jester Canuck's Avatar
      Jester Canuck -
      Quote Originally Posted by Morrus View Post
      It's the only US-based one that non-American fans tend to be able to go to, too.

      Actually, I take that back - the PAXes are bigger than Gen Con, I think. Lots of folks from around the world there, I should think.
      Agreed. Even people from Canada are unlikely to venture down for anything smaller, unless it's right across the border and they have time to drive.

      Quote Originally Posted by DevoutlyApathetic View Post
      PAX East isn't really a local con at all and I wouldn't describe Origins that way as well but it's been ages since I went to one.
      Clearly, since I was already singling out Pax Prime, I missed that Pax East was on the list. Yes, neither of those are local cons. They're also primarily video game conventions.

      Origins is big. But at 15,000 it's a quarter of the size of GenCon.
      Winter Fantasy is <5000 people, GaryCon is <2000.
    1. goldomark's Avatar
      goldomark -
      I thought this was settled last year when there was controversy about the rewards people didn't get from WotC at GenCon. Mearls was rather clear that WotC wasn't interested in GenCon anymore.
    1. Shiroiken's Avatar
      Shiroiken -
      Quote Originally Posted by goldomark View Post
      I thought this was settled last year when there was controversy about the rewards people didn't get from WotC at GenCon. Mearls was rather clear that WotC wasn't interested in GenCon anymore.
      You are correct. The "big announcement" for GenCon last year (usually a storyline or product announcement) was that they were dramatically reducing support for GenCon.
    1. Vampyr3's Avatar
      Vampyr3 -
      WOTC has not been at Gen Con "Officially" for the past 3 years.. the past 2 you were hard pressed to even find a mention of them... So this is not shocking in the least bit.

      Plus Mearls himself talked about LAST YEAR - http://www.thetomeshow.com/e/gencon-...scussion-hour/
    1. JediSoth's Avatar
      JediSoth -
      Not surprising; if you're working with a limited budget, Gen Con is EXTREMELY expensive. My wife and I regularly spend around $1500 on hotel for Wed-Mon, and WotC is putting up more than one couple in one room. That's to say nothing of how much it costs for the exhibition space (even though they don't have space in the Dealer Hall). Gen Con isn't just giving that space to WotC for free.

      From a marketing standpoint, it also sort of makes sense. At Gen Con, they're liking reaching the same people over and over again. I would wager the amount of new people they really get is pretty small compared to the overall attendance. Going to more, smaller cons would increase their exposure more. At Gary Con, they're the largest company, followed by Kenzer & Co., then there are some small pub folk in the Dealer Hall (which is a tiny fraction the size of Gen Con's; seriously, all of Gary Con takes place in one hotel). At Gen Con, they're one company among thousands. Heck, the last year they actually had a presence in the Dealer Hall, I didn't even hang out at their booth; there were too many other things to do.
    1. skerritthegreen's Avatar
      skerritthegreen -
      Also note that the Adventurers League will still be at Gen Con in force!
    1. Umbran's Avatar
      Umbran -
      Quote Originally Posted by Morrus View Post
      Actually, I take that back - the PAXes are bigger than Gen Con, I think. Lots of folks from around the world there, I should think.
      PAX prime is about the same size as Gen Con, give or take a couple thousand people. PAX East is, I think, about half the size.

      I think folks are focused too much on how many people are going, and instead consider *which* people are going. Consider - is there anyone so motivated as to go to GenCon that isn't already up on what WotC is doing? It isnt' really a big marketing opportunity if they aren't reaching new people - attending GenCon would be fan service, at best.

      At more local cons, they may be better able to do outreach.
    1. chibi graz'zt's Avatar
      chibi graz'zt -
      This is awesome, gives me a chance to try out Origins & Pax Prime, always wanted to check them out.
    1. camazotz's Avatar
      camazotz -
      Given how much it costs to go to one con these days, Pax Prime would have to be the new target. It's the only con I'm considering saving up for these days, anyway.
    1. Hand of Evil's Avatar
      Hand of Evil -
      Seem to be limiting themselves, with their staffing these days and the OGL, maybe it is best to let the 3rd parties do 5e at Gen Con. All WotC is these days is a project team, better to hear from those that are putting out product.
    1. GrumpyGamer's Avatar
      GrumpyGamer -
      I have no complaints with the Baldman Games people; my experience with them has been very positive. With that said last years GenCon without Wizards support was not a good experience. The location that they had in the main hall was terrible due to the crowd noise, and made concentration on gaming very difficult. This was in stark contrast to the 5e launch party at GenCon which was amazing: a few actors, a few wall dividers, a few authors, and life like castle walls go a long way. I don't see Baldman Games having the budget to fix these issues and pull off GenCon correctly.

      From a 5e perspective I think I might try to make it to Origins as the con description looks awesome. From a general gamer perspective it might be time to try and make it to Pax.
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