The Orr Groups Latest Stats: D&D Up 2%; Pathfinder Holds Steady; Apocalypse World & Star Wars Gain Ground
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  • The Orr Groups Latest Stats: D&D Up 2%; Pathfinder Holds Steady; Apocalypse World & Star Wars Gain Ground


    It's that time again - the latest game system usage stats from The Orr Group, who produce the popular Roll20 virtual tabletop software. This set of figures is for Quarter 4, 2017, and shows no real surprises - D&D 5th Edition remains in the lead by a strong margin, and some trends have coincided with big movies or video games, such as Rogue One and a Pokemon thing. D&D 5E has increased by over 2% again this quarter, with Pathfinder maintaining its position. Apocalypse World has increased again, as have some foreign language games.





    As always, data is pulled from Roll20 profiles, specifically the "Enjoys Playing" and "Seeks Group For" fields (for players) and My Campaigns (for game numbers); because players can list multiple games, figures can exceed 100%. They explain how it works here. As always, here's the data - make of it as little or as much as you wish!

    See the previous quarter's statistics here. Quarter 1 2016 here.
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    1. Jester David's Avatar
      Jester David -
      Interesting how there's 25k D&D games but only 39k players. It looks like there's a lot of games with just a DM... Test games and the like.
    1. Parmandur's Avatar
      Parmandur -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jester David View Post
      Interesting how there's 25k D&D games but only 39k players. It looks like there's a lot of games with just a DM... Test games and the like.
      Maybe DMs are disproportionately likely to fill out the relevant stats in their profile?

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    1. Mistwell's Avatar
      Mistwell -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jester David View Post
      Interesting how there's 25k D&D games but only 39k players. It looks like there's a lot of games with just a DM... Test games and the like.
      I have 6 players and zero filled out the info on the types of games they like or are playing...
    1. Parmandur's Avatar
      Parmandur -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mistwell View Post
      I have 6 players and zero filled out the info on the types of games they like or are playing...
      Evidence for that hypothesis, anecdotal as it is...

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    1. JesterOC -
      That one bit of data is indeed anecdotal, however the creators of the survey state that people are behaving much like his single sample indicated.

      From the in-depth explanation of how the survey is made ...

      "It’s from those two places [User Filled out forms] that we made The Orr Group Industry Report. Self-reported use of the Roll20 system. In the report we state we worked from a sample size of 25,000 games and 15,000 players– each one of those campaigns and players were active during Quarter 3, thus being included. That said, many, many users don’t select what games they are playing– in the last 24 hours, for example, over 6,000 games accessed and the vast majority of those have not selected what is being played. Additionally, a Game Master is more likely to indicate what campaign they’re starting than a player is likely to alter their profile as it has no effect on the player simply being able to join the Game Master’s session."

      Source:
      http://blog.roll20.net/post/100246471625/what-is-the-orr-group-industry-report-and-what
    1. darjr's Avatar
      darjr -
      Interesting. So I wonder which the under reporting skews if at all.
    1. Parmandur's Avatar
      Parmandur -
      Quote Originally Posted by darjr View Post
      Interesting. So I wonder which the under reporting skews if at all.
      Probably impossible to determine; pretty close to junk data?

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    1. Mistwell's Avatar
      Mistwell -
      Quote Originally Posted by darjr View Post
      Interesting. So I wonder which the under reporting skews if at all.
      Quote Originally Posted by Parmandur View Post
      Probably impossible to determine; pretty close to junk data?

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      "A Game Master is more likely to indicate what campaign they’re starting than a player is likely to alter their profile as it has no effect on the player simply being able to join the Game Master’s session."
    1. Parmandur's Avatar
      Parmandur -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mistwell View Post
      "A Game Master is more likely to indicate what campaign they’re starting than a player is likely to alter their profile as it has no effect on the player simply being able to join the Game Master’s session."
      Sure, but no guarantee that even a DM will fill his info...? So, not too much use, except indicating broad trends (5E is big dog, Pathfinder is little dog, and everyone else is a puppy).

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    1. Mistwell's Avatar
      Mistwell -
      Quote Originally Posted by Parmandur View Post
      Sure, but no guarantee that even a DM will fill his info...?
      No guarantee but a lot more likely as it's one of the fields you fill out when starting a game. You would have to actively decide to skip it (in fact I am not even certain you CAN skip it as a DM - there are really only two fields to fill out when starting a game and it's one of the two. I suspect to give your players access to the 5e character sheet you have to select 5e). The players however don't have to do anything. They never even have to go to the page where they indicate their preference for game type, after creating their account.
    1. Parmandur's Avatar
      Parmandur -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mistwell View Post
      No guarantee but a lot more likely as it's one of the fields you fill out when starting a game. You would have to actively decide to skip it (in fact I am not even certain you CAN skip it as a DM - there are really only two fields to fill out when starting a game and it's one of the two). The players however don't have to do anything. They never even have to go to the page where they indicate their preference for game type, after creating their account.
      Sure; but without more data, which probably isn't being collected, can't say what the extent is, in fact.

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    1. Mistwell's Avatar
      Mistwell -
      Quote Originally Posted by Parmandur View Post
      Sure; but without more data, which probably isn't being collected, can't say what the extent is, in fact.

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      Per my edit, I don't even think you can use the built-in character sheets without selecting the game type. So again, I think it's near 100% for DMs to fill in game type...and it's nothing close to that for players who never need to even go to that page after making their account. I think this denial that we have usable data for DMs is not helpful...we obviously have usable data for DMs.

      In addition, on looking at existing games on there, I could not find a single one that didn't list game type by the DM.
    1. Parmandur's Avatar
      Parmandur -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mistwell View Post
      Per my edit, I don't even think you can use the built-in 5e character sheet without selecting 5e. So again, I think it's near 100% for DMs to fill in game type...and it's nothing close to that for players who never need to even go to that page after making their account. I think this denial that we have usable data for DMs is not helpful...we obviously have usable data for DMs.
      Usable to the extent of saying "more people are playing 5E than anything else," but that's "no, duh" territory.

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    1. Mistwell's Avatar
      Mistwell -
      Quote Originally Posted by Parmandur View Post
      Usable to the extent of saying "more people are playing 5E than anything else," but that's "no, duh" territory.

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      Usable in the sense that we know how many games of each type are being DM'ed on that system, with very little room for error in that number until you get down into the "other" category. I'd say that's useful data.

      On the player side, we don't really know as it seems a lot of players might never fill that out if they're only on there to play in their friends game anyway.
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