News Digest: Controversy Abounds! New Vampire Edition Details, Green Ronin's Talent Search, 7th Sea Explorer's Society, Int'l Tabletop Day, and more!
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  • News Digest: Controversy Abounds! New Vampire Edition Details, Green Ronin's Talent Search, 7th Sea Explorer's Society, Int'l Tabletop Day, and more!


    Hello everyone! Darryl here with this week’s gaming news! And this week is all about controversy. Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition release information (with a controversial hiring), Green Ronin is looking for female writers for Lost Citadel, International Tabletop Day may not be able to meet demand for promotional items, and more! Even this week’s Kickstarters are loaded with controversy!

    Okay, this is a very simple story with a very complicated background. I’m going to tell the story first this time and, if you’re not sure what’s going on, I’ll explain more in the next paragraph. White Wolf Publishing announced details about the new edition of Vampire: The Masquerade. This new fifth edition of the game will come out in early 2018 and, according to ICv2, “continue the metagame that was shaped in 2004”. This would be the sourcebook Gehenna which presented several options for the “end of the world” of the World of Darkness and the tie-in novel Gehenna: The Final Night be Ari Marmell. If these events will be rolled into the new edition in an “After the End” manner, it’s not yet known. This project began in controversy after White Wolf announced hiring Zak Smith (aka Zak Sabbath or Zak S) back in February, a man who has been accused of harassing behavior, to work on a video game. WW's response can be found here.

    So some of you may be wondering where Onyx Path is in all this. They’re still around, but they’re not involved with this new edition of the game. They are, however, still creating new material for World of Darkness. But not for the new edition. Onyx Path still holds the license for the Chronicles of Darkness (which is the official name of what was called the New World of Darkness titles: Vampire: The Requiem, Werewolf: The Forsaken, etc.) and they hold the license for the 20th Anniversary editions of all the World of Darkness (the official name for Old World of Darkness titles: Vampire: The Masquerade, Werewolf: The Apocalypse, etc.). So Onyx Path is still publishing new material for both of these lines, but are NOT publishing material for the new 5th Edition of Vampire: The Masquerade.

    So White Wolf was purchased by CCP Games (makers of the Eve Online franchise) who only wanted the IP rights to make a World of Darkness MMO. After many years of development, the title was finally canceled in 2014 and White Wolf plus all its assets were sold to Paradox Interactive in 2015. Late last year, Paradox Interactive spun White Wolf Publishing into its own (but fully owned) company in anticipation of publishing a new edition. At this time, the licensing deals were restructured and, when the dust settled, the licenses for Chronicles of Darkness and the 20th Anniversary versions of the original World of Darkness games were with Onyx Path and the live-action Mind’s Eye Theater remained with By Night Studios. So this is how White Wolf is coming out with a new edition at a time when Onyx Path is running a Kickstarter for a World of Darkness themed card game.


    Green Ronin launched a talent search for contributors to The Lost Citadel roleplaying game, based on the fiction anthology and world developed by Jaym Gates, C.A. Suleiman, and Ari Marmell about a fantasy world in the middle of a zombie apocalypse. There is a catch, as they’re specifically accepting proposals from women. From the announcement:

    In the lead-up to June’s Kickstarter for the LCRPG, we are going to be running a talent search for women who are interested in coming to work on the project. If you identify as female and dark fantasy is your jam, we want to see what you can bring to the table! Not to worry, fellas, we have some other opportunities for you coming up later in the year, as well, but this talent search is just for the ladies.

    A statement was issued to further clarify that the talent search was also open to those who identify as non-binary gender. The announcement from Green Ronin General Manager Nicole Lindroos comes following a post from Green Ronin President Chris Pramas [EDIT: This post was from Green Ronin General Manager Nicole Lindroos, not Chris Pramas as original posted] speaking about his [EDIT: her] experience on a panel at the DICE Summit in Las Vegas, noting the gender discrepancy of those in the industry and those looking to break in, noting both how far the industry has come and how far it still has to go.


    7th Sea promised a platform for user-created content during their wildly successful Kickstarter last year, and now they’ve delivered as Explorer’s Society is live. The online store allows users to create and sell content for the 7th Sea 2nd Edition game, including adventures, NPCs, homebrew rules, or more. There is a content guideline that acts as a license for use of the Intellectual Property, laying out exactly what you can and cannot use from published materials and in what way you’re allowed to use them (this is similar to the license for the DM’s Guild). In the week since launch, there’s already two dozen products available for purchase ranging in cost from free to Pay-What-You-Want to a set price of $3.99 for some of the adventures.


    International Tabletop Day has run into a minor issue: The event is so big that they can’t keep up with demand! This is the first year that all promotional items have been released a la carte rather than as a single one-size-fits-all pack. Personally, I preferred the old way, but that’s because I live in a rural area so my local event always had more promotional items than attendees. However, retailers in more populated areas could customize their orders in order to make sure they could meet demand based on previous events. And this year, the demand was higher than ever – so much so that not everyone will be getting their products. Quoted in ICv2, Producer Ivan Van Norman said “We opened up the print sizes significantly as well with publishers, but didn’t know what to expect with the new system. After collecting all the pre-orders we can tell you that you meet and beat the expectations out of the park. Despite opening up numbers significantly, we are at 85-95% fill rate to pre-orders for almost all items for International Tabletop Day.” The only odd one out was the promotional card from Cryptozoic’s Master of Orion, which only had enough product to fill 16% of the orders and cannot be reprinted in time for the event. International Tabletop Day is on Saturday, April 29 and the official website has a locator to find the event closest to you.


    Even the Kickstarters this week haven’t managed to evade controversy this week! Alternity is now on Kickstarter bringing a world of science fiction adventure. Technically speaking, however, this is not a new edition of the original Alternity game. Instead, this game takes the abandoned trademarks from the original Alternity and creates an entire new rules system inspired by the original. Some on social media criticized Sasquatch games for using the abandoned trademarks rather than creating an original property. My response: Yeah, how dare this Richard Baker and Bill Slavicsek rip off the hard work of the original Alternity creators, Richard Baker and Bill Slavicsek! And can you believe they’re letting George RR Martin write the next Song of Ice and Fire novel? But more seriously, this new game captures everything from the original Alternity with the original creators involved as they update and streamline the game system bringing in the knowledge of twenty years of advancement in the industry since the original. You can get the core rulebook in PDF for $25, a print version for $40, or a bundle of all content including stretch goals in PDF for $45 or adding on a print copy of the core rulebook for $65. This project is about halfway to its funding goal, but has until Thursday, May 4 to reach its $35,000 goal.

    Now for some controversial nepotism! EN Publishing, the game design and publishing arm of EN World, is creating a book of brand new classes for the 5th Edition of “the world’s most popular roleplaying game”. Alchemist, Cardcaster, Diabolist, Feywalker, Morph, Noble, and Occultist are each detailed with multiple subclass builds (see the links for previews). In addition, the book includes new subclasses and build options for the core classes and much more. You can get the PDF version immediately at the end of the Kickstarter for a £10 (about US$13) pledge, or a print copy for £17 (about US$21) for a print copy as soon as it’s printed. This Kickstarter is fully funded and runs until Friday, May 5.

    Underworld Races & Classes gives you even more options for your 5th Edition or Pathfinder games from Adventure a Week Games. What’s the controversy with promoting this one? While I’m not directly involved with this project, I am currently working with AAW Games on another project they haven’t announced yet. That said, this book is a collection of new races, classes, spells, and items all themed around the things that dwell beneath the surface of the world, thriving in the darkness. The PDF is available for $25 for your choice of edition or $45 for both with hardcover versions available for $55 or $105 for both. This Kickstarter is fully funded and runs until Friday, April 28.

    That’s all from me for this week! Find more gaming news at the EN World News Network website, and don’t forget to support our Patreon to bring you even more gaming news content. If you have any news to submit, email us at news@enworldnews.com. You can follow me on Twitter @Abstruse where I’ve been ranting about the Pepsi controversy (there’s no reason not to bring back Crystal Pepsi permanently!), or you can listen to the archives of the Gamer’s Tavern podcast. Until next time, may all your hits be crits! Note: Links to Amazon and/or DriveThru may contain affiliate links with the proceeds going to the author of this column.
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    1. jimmifett's Avatar
      jimmifett -
      I'm taking what i'm sure is the unpopular position here by the vocal minority.

      This green ronin thing is a crock of feldercarb. You don't fix a perceived social "imbalance" by excluding a group you feel is "over represented". This whole concept of intersectionality is also an even bigger crock of bantha poodoo. What if you are "transitioning" to male? Still have your female parts, but Identify as male, are you disqualified? The whole thing is asinine, and while i'm sure there is some loophole being used, this sure seems like an illegal sex-based discriminatory hiring practice.

      You want more women in the field, awesome, me too, but choose based on merit, not exclusionary practices such as body parts or mental "identity". It completely invalidates any standing you have if you attempt to combat one form of "social injustice" with further discrimination.

      $0.02USD
    1. ChapolimX's Avatar
      ChapolimX -
      This project began in controversy after White Wolf announced hiring Zak Smith (aka Zak Sabbath or Zak S) back in February, a man who has been accused of serial harassment of LGBT game designers and community members and those promoting feminism and equality.

      Read more: http://www.enworld.org/forum/content...#ixzz4dTb2pvTm
      This controversy is not about the new edition. It was related to the video-game "Vampire The Masquerade: We Eat Blood" released on Steam and mobile plataforms. The article gives the impression that Zak Smith (or Zak Sabbath) was hired for work into the tabletop game, which, as far as I know, holds no evidence.
    1. TerraDave's Avatar
      TerraDave -
      So there will be 3 editions of Vampire in print at the same time?

      As for alternity, they are doing is pretty cool, but it does join the big wave of sci-fi games that seems to be washing over us.
    1. ChapolimX's Avatar
      ChapolimX -
      @TerraDave

      No. There will be:

      Vampire: The Requiem - A different game with its own mechanics, setting and themes. It holds some resemblance with Vampire: The Masquerade because it was released as a spiritual successor when the game line was closed. It will be supported by Onyx Path as a licensee.

      Vampire: The Masquerade - 20th Anniversary Edition - A commemorative compendium released by Onyx Path that evolved to its own game line. Probably it will still be available as pdf and print on demand but there will be no new releases besides the ones that are already in production.

      Vampire: The Masquerade - 5th Edition - A new edition under development by the new White Wolf now belonged to Paradox.
    1. Lord_Blacksteel's Avatar
      Lord_Blacksteel -
      I used to think Runequest had the most complicated licensing situation. They seem to have that mostly sorted out and now Vampire is aiming for that crown. Good luck to all involved!
    1. ddaley's Avatar
      ddaley -
      I was going to post this comment to the RPG Crowdfunding article, but it is not accepting comments...

      Don't forget the Castles & Crusades kickstarter for the 7th printing of the Players' Handbook. If you are looking to get into C&C, or need to pick up some other books, you might want to check this one out. I think everything in their library is available as an add-on at a discount over their regular prices. I am in at the Harvester level, which lets you pick and choose from their entire library:

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ers-handbook-7
    1. Jester David's Avatar
      Jester David -
      Quote Originally Posted by jimmifett View Post
      This green ronin thing is a crock of feldercarb. You don't fix a perceived social "imbalance" by excluding a group you feel is "over represented".
      How else do you fix it? Hope? Just declaring sexism "over" and waiting for things to even out?

      Quote Originally Posted by jimmifett View Post
      This whole concept of intersectionality is also an even bigger crock of bantha poodoo. What if you are "transitioning" to male? Still have your female parts, but Identify as male, are you disqualified? The whole thing is asinine, and while i'm sure there is some loophole being used, this sure seems like an illegal sex-based discriminatory hiring practice.
      I think the clarifying statement said all intersex individuals would be considered in this.

      Quote Originally Posted by jimmifett View Post
      You want more women in the field, awesome, me too, but choose based on merit, not exclusionary practices such as body parts or mental "identity". It completely invalidates any standing you have if you attempt to combat one form of "social injustice" with further discrimination.
      They're not going to choose unqualified people in this. Unskilled people will make poor quality books, which is the last thing a publisher wants. So merit WILL be considered. That's doesn't need to even be said (except, apparently, it did).
      It's a way of balancing the resumes. They want more women, so rather than putting all the resumes by women at the top and going through them first and giving them first opportunity of the jobs, they're just doing a call for them first. If no one applies that can do the job, they'll just hire more men.


      Just having open applications looks great on paper. The best qualified people apply and get the job. But historic sexism and inequality negatively impacts the present.

      Because the industry and gaming groups were historically sexist (either dismissively or even openly misogynistic) there are just fewer women in the industry. There were fewer opportunities for them to get their break. So right off the bat a gender neutral open call will skew male. And because they're competing against so many other likely more qualified males, many women won't even apply.
      Also, because so many publishers remain male-centric, they are often not friendly to women. The work environment is toxic. Nobody wants to work in a place they're not wanted, for a company that doesn't like them. If the company's views on female employees are not known, many women are just hesitant to apply. Just having a women-only call for applications will dramatically increase the number of women who apply.
      And because the books are written by male authors writing to people like themselves, the industry has a perception of masculinity. Young women don't see women making the product and don't see themselves in the text and feel discouraged from getting into the industry.

      Without active action, the status remains quo. It's effectively a self-perpetuating closed system.
    1. Jester David's Avatar
      Jester David -
      Quote Originally Posted by TerraDave View Post
      So there will be 3 editions of Vampire in print at the same time?
      Quote Originally Posted by ChapolimX View Post
      @TerraDave

      No. There will be:

      Vampire: The Requiem - A different game with its own mechanics, setting and themes. It holds some resemblance with Vampire: The Masquerade because it was released as a spiritual successor when the game line was closed. It will be supported by Onyx Path as a licensee.

      Vampire: The Masquerade - 20th Anniversary Edition - A commemorative compendium released by Onyx Path that evolved to its own game line. Probably it will still be available as pdf and print on demand but there will be no new releases besides the ones that are already in production.

      Vampire: The Masquerade - 5th Edition - A new edition under development by the new White Wolf now belonged to Paradox.
      Which is a "yes" there will be three in print (if you consider Print on Demand as "print").
      But only two will have new products.
    1. jimmifett's Avatar
      jimmifett -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jester David View Post
      How else do you fix it? Hope? Just declaring sexism "over" and waiting for things to even out?


      I think the clarifying statement said all intersex individuals would be considered in this.
      Funny how the only solution for intersectionalists to correct past discrimination is further future discrimination. It's all just a thin curtain to cover their own biggotry or even justify it. Group A did it, so group has to do it back. Like I said, asinine, and I'll add , bigoted.

      As far as their clarification, they said Identifies as female or other non binary identity. Last I checked, identifying as male is binary, thus excludes any whom identify as male. But this is "social justice" in action, so what does logic matter?

      I'm done with this "justified" bigotry drivel on this thread, if anyone wants to continue further discussion, send me P.M.s

      $0.02USD
    1. ddaley's Avatar
      ddaley -
      I am not sure if they located in the US or not. But, if so, then discriminating based on gender either way is illegal.

      Quote Originally Posted by Jester David View Post
      How else do you fix it? Hope? Just declaring sexism "over" and waiting for things to even out?
    1. Jester David's Avatar
      Jester David -
      Quote Originally Posted by ddaley View Post
      I am not sure if they located in the US or not. But, if so, then discriminating based on gender either way is illegal.
      Hopefully they ran it past a lawyer who found a loophole and they're not doing anything illegal. I imagine taking male applicants later is enough.
      But Green Ronin is a small company and likely doesn't have a lawyer on staff... so *shrug* could be totally illegal.
      Still, if the end result is more women writing gaming I'm not going to call out legally grey actions. Even if it costs me work...

      I dunno. Complaining about giving some people priority always strikes me like complaining about reserved handicapped parking. It's unfair on the surface to give some people better parking spots, but life is pretty unfair so it's trying to balance things out. I have the advantage of good, strong legs: as long as there's a parking spaces for me in the back I'm able to walk a little farther.
    1. fulcon35 -
      This post is not meant to address any other post this forum or address their opinion in any way because I am not here to thought police anyone and truth be told I don't really post much of any thing at all. That said I will not ever buy another Green Ronin product again for the same reason I don't entertain Jehovah's Witnesses on my door step, that is if I cared about your politics or religious beliefs I would ask about your politics or religious beliefs. I was a huge Star Wars fan my whole life. Grew up a fan boy, can tell you which companies designed and manufactured 3PO and R2 and the exact make and model of Han's heavy Blaster Pistol. I will never watch another Star Wars movie ever again either. When Disney decided that they were going to have their new feminists publicists refer to the empire as a white power organization I tried my best not to vomit. I failed. After I cleaned the chunks off my lap top I promptly emailed my friends that I would not be watching Rouge One, ever. My friends have even offered my the opportunity to see it for free, still won't do it. When I even see trailers for rouge one I try not to vomit. I fail. After hurling in the face's of several of my friends who kept trying to get me to watch they decided that my chunks were not worth the trouble of trying to convert me anymore and gave up. Why this extreme reaction, because if there's one thing I do not want in my fictional entertainment its real world politics. When you have to sell your story, movie, play, etc. by pandering to left wing political elitism or right wing religious ideologies that means only one thing: your story sucks. I was particularly aggrieved when George Lucas decided to dub Anakin Skywalker: Jesus Vader by deciding he was an immaculate conception. Wouldn't have minded an all female casts of Ghostbusters at all if they hadn't written a script that even your average ten year old didn't find funny and hadn't decided to force feminism down everybody's throats. I never listened to the right wing when they railed against gay marriage i'm not listening about the left wing whine about the LBGT community non stop either. All in all if we, the geek community, keep buying products that pander to either left wing or right wing ideologies we will lose this meaningless hobby that we love so much. Propaganda is not for entertainment, its for indoctrination. Gary Gygax made a game millions of geeks still love even after he was gone, he didn't try to indoctrinate us into a cult no matter what the religious nuts said. He just gave us food for our imagination and to this day millions of us are grateful to him for that. Star Wars was once all about a great, fun, fast moving, scifi epic about the struggle of the light vs the dark, now its about feminists rhetoric and pandering to liberals. I spend a lot of time eating member berries these days remembering a time when I could read a book that was just a book or watch a movie that was just a movie and above all else play and RPG that was just an RPG, not an exercise in socialist propaganda. Disney did it to their marvel line of comic books when they decided to inundate their titles with leftist propaganda and sales have dropped off drastically according to what I've read, and the same thing will happen to RPG if companies like Green Ronin try to force a political agenda in our face rather then just entertain us. I liked Green Ronin's stuff. I own ASIF, the DC universe RPG, but I'll never but anything else from them just like I won't ever watch another Star Wars movie while Disney wants to tell me how I should think rather then just take my imagination to a place a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
    1. Morrus's Avatar
      Morrus -
      Quote Originally Posted by fulcon35 View Post
      I liked Green Ronin's stuff. I own ASIF, the DC universe RPG, but I'll never but anything else from them just like I won't ever watch another Star Wars movie while Disney wants to tell me how I should think rather then just take my imagination to a place a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
      They're not telling you how to think. They don't have magic mind control powers.

      They're telling you and showing you how they think. And if you don't want to buy products from someone because they want to hire women, that's ultimately your call, but it's not one I can respect. And if you don't want to watch a Star Wars movie because it's "about feminists rhetoric and pandering to liberals" (hint: it's not; that phrase says far more about you than it does about the cast and crew of Star Wars) that, again, is your call. I presume that now means you won't buy anything from me, either.

      I'd also note that when you buy a book from somebody they owe you exactly one thing: a book. You are not buying their silence.

      When I even see trailers for rouge one I try not to vomit. I fail.
      That sounds... unlikely. If trailers for Rogue One are literally causing you to vomit, you need to see a doctor. Quickly.
    1. Morrus's Avatar
      Morrus -
      As an (obvious, I'd hope) warning given the way the rhetoric is starting to drift in this thread: remember that hate speech will not be tolerated on this site, so folks please be careful about dealing up the rhetoric.
    1. ddaley's Avatar
      ddaley -
      What Green Ronin is doing doesn't particularly bother me. But, I just want to point out that the issue isn't that they want to hire women, but that they are excluding men... which is in all likelihood illegal.

      There are two things that I wouldn't want to see:
      1. Green Ronin getting sued, if they are indeed breaking employment laws... which, for a small company could be catastrophic.
      2. A completely qualified male, for which this may be a dream opportunity, being completely excluded because he is of the wrong gender



      Quote Originally Posted by Morrus View Post
      ...And if you don't want to buy products from someone because they want to hire women, that's ultimately your call, but it's not one I can respect.
    1. Alzrius's Avatar
      Alzrius -
      From what I can tell, Green Ronin is not breaking any anti-discrimination laws.

      The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission investigates discrimination complaints against companies that have (or have had in the last twenty weeks) fifteen or more employees.

      The number of employees that Green Ronin seems to have varies depending on where you look, but none of them meet this threshold. For example, the listing for the "Green Ronin Staff 2016" picture on their website lists fourteen individuals. Their Wikipedia page says that they have twelve employees. Finally, their LinkedIn page lists twenty-three individuals who have worked with the company, but if you subtract those who were only freelancers, rather than employees, it drops down to eleven.
    1. fulcon35 -
      I noticed in your quote didn't mention anything about the fact that I don't like Republican anti-gay rhetoric, you just honed in on the part you didn't like, the part about liberals, and warned us about hate speech. So is the part you don't like the hate speech? Think I was pretty clear in that all I want is the people i pay to entertain me just to entertain me. The cast and crew of Star Wars have nothing to do with it, their paid to do a job, and I never accused them of anything i specifically said Disney. When you open an internet forum to free speech you might get response you don't like. When I buy a star wars book, i just want a book about Star Wars, not real world crap, I can watch that on the news. I respect free speech which is why i don't respond to other peoples threads, they have the right to think and state what they want, but when you say things like (hint: it's not; that phrase says far more about you than it does about the cast and crew of Star Wars) Your just another troll. I assume that if your the moderator and you can ban people that may be what your thinking, and if makes you happy I will cancel my subscription to enfider and delete my account, or you can do the whole free speech thing, disagree with my comment, and not threaten people with ubiquitous politically correct rhetoric about hate speech when you read something you don't like.
    1. Morrus's Avatar
      Morrus -
      Quote Originally Posted by fulcon35 View Post
      Think I was pretty clear in that all I want is the people i pay to entertain me just to entertain me.
      You don't own them because you bought a book from them. Other than provide you with a book, they can do, say, and think whatever they like.

      When you open an internet forum to free speech you might get response you don't like.
      Well, it's not an "internet forum to free speech" (whatever that is supposed to mean). And let me get this straight, you want to quash speech you don't like by withholding $20 from the publisher of a book? Even if the publisher's silence were that cheap, that's not exactly free speech, now, is it?

      I assume that if your the moderator and you can ban people that may be what your thinking, and if makes you happy I will cancel my subscription to enfider and delete my account,
      Please feel free to do whatever you feel you need to do. My silence costs a lot more than your $3 a month, I'm afraid.
    1. Doctor Futurity -
      For two whole seconds I thought, "Wow, that's cool, there's going to be a 5E adaptation of Vampire. Wonder how that will work....ooooh wait."
    1. jimmifett's Avatar
      jimmifett -
      Green Ronin is breaking washington state law, of which is where they are located.

      http://www.hum.wa.gov/employment

      An EMPLOYER may not: (1) refuse to hire a person, (2) discharge or bar a person from a job, (3) discriminate in compensation or other terms or conditions of employment, (4) print, circulate, or use any discriminatory statement, advertisement, publication, job application form, or make any inquiry in connection with prospective employment that is discriminatory.

      By publishing their gender discriminitory position, they have broken state law.
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