Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 4E Details Emerge
  • Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 4E Details Emerge


    Redditor Paidin_Brewer reported new insights about Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 4th Edition by Cubicle 7 from PAX Unplugged. What follows are the details the redditor learned -- early summer 2018 release, draws heavily on 1E and 2E, and no re-issued versions of older campaigns.



    "In hopes of breaking loose some more information on the upcoming 4th edition of Warhammer Fantasy, I stopped by the Cubicle 7 booth at Pax Unplugged. The employee I spoke to was very excited about the upcoming 4e as a player, but wasn’t on that specific marketing team. He mostly stuck to the talking points others have reported here, but he was helpful in clarifying a few questions I had. I wasn’t recording the discussion, so you’re stuck with my memories unfortunately. Hopefully these tid-bits will help you all too."

    We’ve heard this game will be out by the end of the year, is it still on track for a release around Christmas?

    He has seen the cover art and it’s great, but it is very unlikely to be out by the end of the calendar year. What they meant was that it will be out before the end of the Fiscal Year, or sometime in the early Summer of 2018

    Will the career system still be the primary form of advancement?

    He couldn’t confirm how the character would advance, but the system will draw heavily on 1e and 2e. Some of the refinements from 3e will be present if you know where to look for them, but by and large it’ll be dice based like the older versions.

    There is a ton of great Warhammer material published in 1e / 2e, will you be re-issuing campaigns with updated rulesets?

    Very, very unlikely. Little to no money to be made selling products already widely available. Fans are encouraged to update the existing campaigns on their own. Some conversation guidance may be offered in the future.

    More information can be found over at Grim & Perilious.
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    1. Flexor the Mighty! -
      I'm going to run WHFRP 2e for my next game, but I'm hoping this captures the feel of old school Warhammer gaming. I'm hoping this is the definitive edition .
    1. Banesfinger -
      I hope the new 4e system brings something new to the table, because both Zweihander Grim & Perilous, and Shadows of the Demon Lord have jumped into the WHFRP void.
    1. Ralif Redhammer's Avatar
      Ralif Redhammer -
      I naturally want to see it sooner rather than later, but will be happy to see it when it comes out.
    1. pming's Avatar
      pming -
      Hiya!

      I'll be happy if it has more of a 1e flavour. I want to see nipples on my daemonettes, I want to read passages bout nergal that make me want to vomit, I want to see pictures of rats with freaking ear-rings in their ears, I want blood drinkers of khorn to be dripping in blood and guts...I want pentagrams, "dark ritual" stuff, I want to see the necromancer, elementalist and demonologist, all all that other "fluff" stuff that really set Warhammer apart from D&D and RQ. In short, I want it to have a "mature" or "restricted" rating. I want the media to be up in arms about its "obvious use of the occult, demon worship and human sacrifice". I want church ladies to faint when they see the cover. I want priests to go all wide-eyed and cross their chests while saying "In jesus name, protect me". I want it to make so many waves in the RPG industry and the media that people completely forget about D&D for a while. I want it so anti-PC that SJW's *actually* get hospitalized from reading about it. (ok...maybe not actually...but definitely have panic attacks and have to sit down).

      I don't think I'll be getting that.

      Warhammer: Punk and spikes. Skulls. Nudity. Blood and gore. Dirt. Grime. Disease. Irredeemable evil bad guys. Doomed world destined to loose to the hoards of Chaos. Death lurking around every corner, in every bed, in every meal, in every battle. Terror. Absolute terror of the night and the dark things that creep about.

      ^_^

      Paul L. Ming
    1. Daniel D. Fox's Avatar
      Daniel D. Fox -
      Quote Originally Posted by pming View Post
      Hiya!

      I'll be happy if it has more of a 1e flavour. I want to see nipples on my daemonettes, I want to read passages bout nergal that make me want to vomit, I want to see pictures of rats with freaking ear-rings in their ears, I want blood drinkers of khorn to be dripping in blood and guts...I want pentagrams, "dark ritual" stuff, I want to see the necromancer, elementalist and demonologist, all all that other "fluff" stuff that really set Warhammer apart from D&D and RQ. In short, I want it to have a "mature" or "restricted" rating. I want the media to be up in arms about its "obvious use of the occult, demon worship and human sacrifice". I want church ladies to faint when they see the cover. I want priests to go all wide-eyed and cross their chests while saying "In jesus name, protect me". I want it to make so many waves in the RPG industry and the media that people completely forget about D&D for a while. I want it so anti-PC that SJW's *actually* get hospitalized from reading about it. (ok...maybe not actually...but definitely have panic attacks and have to sit down).

      I don't think I'll be getting that.

      Warhammer: Punk and spikes. Skulls. Nudity. Blood and gore. Dirt. Grime. Disease. Irredeemable evil bad guys. Doomed world destined to loose to the hoards of Chaos. Death lurking around every corner, in every bed, in every meal, in every battle. Terror. Absolute terror of the night and the dark things that creep about.

      ^_^

      Paul L. Ming
      Surely you've checked out Zweihänder, right??
    1. TrippyHippy's Avatar
      TrippyHippy -
      Shadows of the Demon Lord doesn't feel anything like WFRP to me, despite multiple citations. Zweihander is more of a WFRP clone, but will lose much of it's relevance if 4th Edition is good.

      Cubicle 7 are normally top notch in their production standards and appreciation of subject matter, so I'm happy to wait for what they have got. It's a shame they won't redevelop The Enemy Within Campaign, as it's actually not widely available (legally anyway), and is as much a classic campaign as things like Masks of Nyarlathotep for Call of Cthulhu. I hope they at least see more of the 1st Ed titles returned to PDF format in due course.
    1. 76512390ag12's Avatar
      76512390ag12 -
      Quote Originally Posted by pming View Post
      Hiya!

      I'll be happy if it has more of a 1e flavour. I want to see nipples on my daemonettes, I want to read passages bout nergal that make me want to vomit, I want to see pictures of rats with freaking ear-rings in their ears, I want blood drinkers of khorn to be dripping in blood and guts...I want pentagrams, "dark ritual" stuff, I want to see the necromancer, elementalist and demonologist, all all that other "fluff" stuff that really set Warhammer apart from D&D and RQ. In short, I want it to have a "mature" or "restricted" rating. I want the media to be up in arms about its "obvious use of the occult, demon worship and human sacrifice". I want church ladies to faint when they see the cover. I want priests to go all wide-eyed and cross their chests while saying "In jesus name, protect me". I want it to make so many waves in the RPG industry and the media that people completely forget about D&D for a while. I want it so anti-PC that SJW's *actually* get hospitalized from reading about it. (ok...maybe not actually...but definitely have panic attacks and have to sit down).

      I don't think I'll be getting that.

      Warhammer: Punk and spikes. Skulls. Nudity. Blood and gore. Dirt. Grime. Disease. Irredeemable evil bad guys. Doomed world destined to loose to the hoards of Chaos. Death lurking around every corner, in every bed, in every meal, in every battle. Terror. Absolute terror of the night and the dark things that creep about.

      ^_^

      Paul L. Ming
      You know that SJW don't necessarily have a problem with any of that don't you? Just as long there are all genders of nipples!



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    1. Morrus's Avatar
      Morrus -
      Quote Originally Posted by pming View Post
      Hiya!

      I'll be happy if it has more of a 1e flavour. I want to see nipples on my daemonettes, I want to read passages bout nergal that make me want to vomit, I want to see pictures of rats with freaking ear-rings in their ears, I want blood drinkers of khorn to be dripping in blood and guts...I want pentagrams, "dark ritual" stuff, I want to see the necromancer, elementalist and demonologist, all all that other "fluff" stuff that really set Warhammer apart from D&D and RQ. In short, I want it to have a "mature" or "restricted" rating. I want the media to be up in arms about its "obvious use of the occult, demon worship and human sacrifice". I want church ladies to faint when they see the cover. I want priests to go all wide-eyed and cross their chests while saying "In jesus name, protect me". I want it to make so many waves in the RPG industry and the media that people completely forget about D&D for a while. I want it so anti-PC that SJW's *actually* get hospitalized from reading about it. (ok...maybe not actually...but definitely have panic attacks and have to sit down).

      I don't think I'll be getting that.

      Warhammer: Punk and spikes. Skulls. Nudity. Blood and gore. Dirt. Grime. Disease. Irredeemable evil bad guys. Doomed world destined to loose to the hoards of Chaos. Death lurking around every corner, in every bed, in every meal, in every battle. Terror. Absolute terror of the night and the dark things that creep about.

      ^_^

      Paul L. Ming
      "SJWs" *and* profanity? Please avoid politically loaded terms and profanity.
    1. Xaelvaen's Avatar
      Xaelvaen -
      I'm so looking forward to this. Got a softback copy of the 1E from a little shop in a halfprice a long time ago, originally sold in a store in England (according to the old sticker on it).
    1. Enevhar Aldarion's Avatar
      Enevhar Aldarion -
      Very, very unlikely. Little to no money to be made selling products already widely available. Fans are encouraged to update the existing campaigns on their own. Some conversation guidance may be offered in the future.
      Sounds like they have been talking to the folks at WotC. lol
    1. mach1.9pants's Avatar
      mach1.9pants -
      Considering that 'The Enemy Within' campaign/adventure path was never properly finished, and is not available for any reasonable coin, I think there is a lot of money to be made with a reboot of that. Not a 'inspired by' like 3E's version, which was good but it wasn't TEW.

      Looking forward to getting this, C7's take on LotR with TOR and AiME have been exceptionally good.
    1. TrippyHippy's Avatar
      TrippyHippy -
      Just regarding the 'political' and 'dark' representation of WFRP above, I think it's a bit of a misrepresentation. It wasn't just grim dark and spikes and guts. It wasn't 'politically incorrect' (heck they detailed a 'Komission for Minority Races' in one of the city supplements).

      What made it unique at the time was it's focus on unlikely, unheralded, ordinary people finding themselves in epic adventures. The conspiracies and such were occultish and had dark chaos gods and cults as antagonists, but they weren't going out of their way to make particularly offensive material, just quality stories similar to those being done in games like Call of Cthulhu and RuneQuest. There were some punkish references, like Troll Slayers with mohicans, but not to the extent that seems to be suggested here. The general tone was not dissimilar to Lord of the Rings, just advanced into later timeline-based setting (pre-Renaisaance era).
    1. JeffB's Avatar
      JeffB -
      Quote Originally Posted by TrippyHippy View Post
      It's a shame they won't redevelop The Enemy Within Campaign, as it's actually not widely available (legally anyway), and is as much a classic campaign as things like Masks of Nyarlathotep for Call of Cthulhu. I hope they at least see more of the 1st Ed titles returned to PDF format in due course.
      Agreed. AFAIC the BEST thing about original WHFRP are products like TEW campaign/adventures. The rules I can take or leave (mostly leave).
    1. Flexor the Mighty! -
      1e had a bad magic system but I love the 2e system where spells are not a sure thing and the more power you put into them the more chance you may just lose control. If 4e loses that its a deal breaker for me. though its going to have to do something special to knock off 2e for me.
    1. pming's Avatar
      pming -
      Hiya!

      Quote Originally Posted by Moniker View Post
      Surely you've checked out Zweihänder, right??
      Yuppers! I've been keeping tabs since he started the project way back in...er..well, years ago, I'm sure. I actually tried to order two hardbacks the other day, but for some reason my paypal account wasn't accessible. I'll try later today and just use a credit card I guess.

      Still have all my 1e stuff (hardback and three or four other things; shadows over bogenhoffen, enemy within and the character sheet pack...maybe something else I can't remember). Still use my Realms of Chaos WHFB hardback books with it all as well (hence my request/hope for "punk stuff, nudity, etc"). The 2e WHFRP game me a sort of "edited for television" feel I never liked.

      ^_^

      Paul L. Ming
    1. Daniel D. Fox's Avatar
      Daniel D. Fox -
      Quote Originally Posted by pming View Post
      Hiya!



      Yuppers! I've been keeping tabs since he started the project way back in...er..well, years ago, I'm sure. I actually tried to order two hardbacks the other day, but for some reason my paypal account wasn't accessible. I'll try later today and just use a credit card I guess.

      Still have all my 1e stuff (hardback and three or four other things; shadows over bogenhoffen, enemy within and the character sheet pack...maybe something else I can't remember). Still use my Realms of Chaos WHFB hardback books with it all as well (hence my request/hope for "punk stuff, nudity, etc"). The 2e WHFRP game me a sort of "edited for television" feel I never liked.

      ^_^

      Paul L. Ming

      Author of Zweihander here. ;-)


      If you are interested, here's the Black Friday discount code for DriveThruRPG - (normally $55, reduced to $49.99) http://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse.p...unt=9ff8b13e9b

      Enjoy, and happy gaming!
    1. DM Howard's Avatar
      DM Howard -
      Bummer, I'm probably in the minority, but I would love to see an Age of Sigmar RPG!
    1. zedturtle's Avatar
      zedturtle -
      Quote Originally Posted by Bravesteel View Post
      Bummer, I'm probably in the minority, but I would love to see an Age of Sigmar RPG!
      You are in luck.
    1. RevTurkey's Avatar
      RevTurkey -
      Quote Originally Posted by Flexor the Mighty! View Post
      1e had a bad magic system but I love the 2e system where spells are not a sure thing and the more power you put into them the more chance you may just lose control. If 4e loses that its a deal breaker for me. though its going to have to do something special to knock off 2e for me.
      Funny, but I liked 1st Ed magic better...and the whole game in general (although I admit it is decades since I played it). I liked 2e the least and hated the magic system. So swings and roundabouts eh.
    1. Carlsen Chris's Avatar
      Carlsen Chris -
      Quote Originally Posted by pming View Post
      Hiya!

      I'll be happy if it has more of a 1e flavour. I want to see nipples on my daemonettes, I want to read passages bout nergal that make me want to vomit, I want to see pictures of rats with freaking ear-rings in their ears, I want blood drinkers of khorn to be dripping in blood and guts...I want pentagrams, "dark ritual" stuff, I want to see the necromancer, elementalist and demonologist, all all that other "fluff" stuff that really set Warhammer apart from D&D and RQ. In short, I want it to have a "mature" or "restricted" rating. I want the media to be up in arms about its "obvious use of the occult, demon worship and human sacrifice". I want church ladies to faint when they see the cover. I want priests to go all wide-eyed and cross their chests while saying "In jesus name, protect me". I want it to make so many waves in the RPG industry and the media that people completely forget about D&D for a while. I want it so anti-PC that SJW's *actually* get hospitalized from reading about it. (ok...maybe not actually...but definitely have panic attacks and have to sit down).

      I don't think I'll be getting that.

      Warhammer: Punk and spikes. Skulls. Nudity. Blood and gore. Dirt. Grime. Disease. Irredeemable evil bad guys. Doomed world destined to loose to the hoards of Chaos. Death lurking around every corner, in every bed, in every meal, in every battle. Terror. Absolute terror of the night and the dark things that creep about.

      ^_^

      Paul L. Ming
      I'm not sure why "SJWs" would have a problem with any of that.
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