It's Time To Pre-Order Your Copy Of Into The Borderlands
  • It's Time To Pre-Order Your Copy Of Into The Borderlands


    Goodman Games announced some months ago that it would be producing 5th Edition updates of classic D&D adventures, and the first is now ready for pre-order: Into the Borderlands, a 384-page hardcover reprinting two classic adventures and also updating them to D&D 5E. The book slated for a May release.




    Original Adventures Reincarnated: Into the Borderlands is now available for pre-order! This 384-page hardcover reprints the classic Dungeons and Dragons modules B1: In Search of the Unknown and B2: The Keep on the Borderlands, in both their original format and updated for Fifth Edition Dungeons and Dragons. And there is even a full-color 16-page cover gallery insert!

    The expected release date for Into the Borderlands is May, but we are hoping (cross your fingers!) to have some early-release copies available at Gary Con in March!

    Inside this book you will find high-quality scans from multiple printings of the original first edition adventure modules, plus commentary by such gaming luminaries as Luke Gygax and Mike Mearls. Full fifth edition conversions of both adventures are included, as well as brand new additional adventure locations to further expand and develop the Borderlands. This is a fully playable mini-campaign to start off your new fifth edition adventures, with a distinct old-school vibe.


    The originals were 16 pages each (edit - correction; B1 was 32 pages and B2 was 28 pages). This 284-page hardcover includes TWO reprinting of each of the two original modules plus the 5E conversions, which take up more space. The two reprinting include differences like different stat block formats, and different interior art. Goodman Games says "We donít believe this is repeating the same thing, and these reprints are particularly interesting if you are a student of gaming history."




    The conversion to 5E is a "direct conversion", remaining consistent with the 1E originals; so there will be the same number of monsters in each location, and so on. "Itís up to the DM to mitigate this, or the PCs to use wise tactics (some described by Mr. Gygax himself, decades ago), or to use the age-old practice of ďrun away to fight another day.Ē The original B2 was itself not balanced in regard to encounters. There was nothing (aside from a few vague rumors) to prevent a party of 1st-level PCs from wandering into the upper caves, and facing down dozens of undead in one room (for example)."





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    1. Elfcrusher's Avatar
      Elfcrusher -
      How on earth did two old-school modules get stretched to 384 pages?

      (I don't see tables of names in the contents.)
    1. darjr's Avatar
      darjr -
      Quote Originally Posted by Elfcrusher View Post
      How on earth did two old-school modules get stretched to 384 pages?

      (I don't see tables of names in the contents.)
      The table of contents is in the post. I mean itís right there.
    1. LordEntrails's Avatar
      LordEntrails -
      I love B1 and B2. They were the first modules I ever got to play. I have a great deal of love for them.

      But only distaste for this product. I want to love it like I loved the originals, but the more I hear about this the more reluctant I get. The more the taste sours.

      3 versions of each version? If I want the old versions, I'll just go get them out of my closet or buy the PDFs. I mean really, how many of us need reprints so that we can be "students of gaming history"? These reprints will never be collectors items like the originals, and for any type of 'study' you would want the originals anyway.

      "expected release date" How many times have we heard this? Wasn't is supposed to be September 2017 originally?

      A "direct conversion" where "Itís up to the DM to mitigate this". Then what am I supposed to be buying? Sure, I know the roginal wasn't balanced, and this one doesn't have to be either. But if all they did was take the old one and said "5 goblins in this room, ok, we'll put 5 goblins in our conversion."

      Then what the heck are we buying? What "work and effort" have they done? Where's the value add? Was all their effort all about cleaning up the images, text and formatting? I'm not paying for that.
    1. BMaC -
      Shipping to Ireland is $50. Ouch. I guess I'll have to hope it shows up on Book Depository
    1. paintphob's Avatar
      paintphob -
      The originals were 16 pages each.
      Neither of the originals were 16 pages. B1 is 32 pages, and B2 is 28 pages. Including the front and back covers and interior cover maps adds 4 pages to each. So a total of 72 pages for B1 and 64 pages for B2 for both versions of each.

      That gets the B1 section to line up with the table of contents, but I can't figure out were the extra six pages for B2 come from.
    1. Stereofm -
      how do you get to 384 then ? One of the best things from modules of that time is that a lot was left unsaid, or only alluded to. It does not seem to respect them to stretch it that much.
    1. mach1.9pants's Avatar
      mach1.9pants -
      The modules have not been changed just reprinted several times. Then there is example of stocking the dungeons, a 5e conversion, advice, new monster, magic items, etc. There is heaps there, this is a collector's piece, not a gaming book. I really don't get the confusion over how it can be so big, the descriptor and ToC is pretty clear. But really, don't buy unless your a collector and just love DnD books - like me! However being in NZ, shipping is more expensive than the book so I won't be pre ordering it, sadly.
    1. paintphob's Avatar
      paintphob -
      Quote Originally Posted by Stereofm View Post
      how do you get to 384 then ? One of the best things from modules of that time is that a lot was left unsaid, or only alluded to. It does not seem to respect them to stretch it that much.
      Assuming this is in reply to me, all the other stuff. The update to 5th, the additional encounters, the new magic items, spell, and monsters, the section on henchmen and hirelings.

      I was only pointing out that the original prints were not 16 pages. And with the correct page count, the reprint section of the book lines up closer to the expected page count.

      As for the send half of your reply, I am not sure we can infer anything from the page count. There is no mention of a detailed guide to the Kingdom, nothing about the true power(s) behind the Cult, no details on the fate of Rogahn and Zelligar, nothing. The same things may still be alluded to, with even more hooks put in place with only brief mention.
    1. dave2008's Avatar
      dave2008 -
      Quote Originally Posted by LordEntrails View Post
      Then what the heck are we buying? What "work and effort" have they done? Where's the value add? Was all their effort all about cleaning up the images, text and formatting? I'm not paying for that.
      Did you read the ToC? It gives you a pretty good idea. Most of the pages are new 5e encounters, magic items, weapons, hirlings, etc. Seems like a lot of "work and effort" to me.
    1. Zardnaar's Avatar
      Zardnaar -
      Seems expensive and there are already conversions of those products out there. Seems a lazy conversion as well and there is a huge difference in power levels between 20 kobolds for example. An old school sleep spell for example would knock out around 18 of them. B1 is also not that good. You can just run the original putting in the 5E monsters and using the DMG traps.
    1. Elfcrusher's Avatar
      Elfcrusher -
      Quote Originally Posted by darjr View Post
      The table of contents is in the post. I mean itís right there.
      Oh, lord. Sometimes the Internet is just one big /facepalm

      Ok, since this is all so obvious to you, please explain:
      How does it takes 70+ pages to reproduce each 16 page module? Even with "two reprintings each" we're less than halfway there (and why on earth do they reprint them twice, plus the the 5e version? Why would we even want a single reprinting of the original?) What could consume 14 pages of "Dungeon Master Advice"? If the original, full modules are in there, why are 30 pages of new monsters needed?

      We can conjecture why this makes sense, and I have some theories, but it's not at all obvious from looking at this TOC.

      Maybe I should have just tweeted "Failing publisher can't multiple 16 times two covfefe!!! SAD!!!!" and my point would have been more readily understood.
    1. darjr's Avatar
      darjr -
      Quote Originally Posted by Elfcrusher View Post
      Oh, lord. Sometimes the Internet is just one big /facepalm

      Ok, since this is all so obvious to you, please explain:
      How does it takes 70+ pages to reproduce each 16 page module? Even with "two reprintings each" we're less than halfway there (and why on earth do they reprint them twice, plus the the 5e version? Why would we even want a single reprinting of the original?) What could consume 14 pages of "Dungeon Master Advice"? If the original, full modules are in there, why are 30 pages of new monsters needed?

      We can conjecture why this makes sense, and I have some theories, but it's not at all obvious from looking at this TOC.

      Maybe I should have just tweeted "Failing publisher can't multiple 16 times two covfefe!!! SAD!!!!" and my point would have been more readily understood.
      Oh, lord, insults, because?

      First, as you can read earlier in the thread, B2 isn't 16 pages. My PDF copy says 28, not including outside cover and the maps on the inside cover. So you know that could be 32 pages. Almost halfway there. Not sure about the other edition. I doubt there are six more pages, however I'll bet there is a page introducing each, that leaves four for some of the other differences in editions talked about at the link.
    1. Parmandur's Avatar
      Parmandur -
      Quote Originally Posted by LordEntrails View Post
      I love B1 and B2. They were the first modules I ever got to play. I have a great deal of love for them.

      But only distaste for this product. I want to love it like I loved the originals, but the more I hear about this the more reluctant I get. The more the taste sours.

      3 versions of each version? If I want the old versions, I'll just go get them out of my closet or buy the PDFs. I mean really, how many of us need reprints so that we can be "students of gaming history"? These reprints will never be collectors items like the originals, and for any type of 'study' you would want the originals anyway.

      "expected release date" How many times have we heard this? Wasn't is supposed to be September 2017 originally?

      A "direct conversion" where "Itís up to the DM to mitigate this". Then what am I supposed to be buying? Sure, I know the roginal wasn't balanced, and this one doesn't have to be either. But if all they did was take the old one and said "5 goblins in this room, ok, we'll put 5 goblins in our conversion."

      Then what the heck are we buying? What "work and effort" have they done? Where's the value add? Was all their effort all about cleaning up the images, text and formatting? I'm not paying for that.
      I'm not in the same boat, having never played the originals, but this is not attractive to me as a TftYP style book would be.
    1. DRF's Avatar
      DRF -
      I haven't played the original. I really like the idea of this book, but it does seem like massive overkill to have such a huge book. I'll definitely wait for user reviews before purchasing anything.
    1. Elfcrusher's Avatar
      Elfcrusher -
      Quote Originally Posted by darjr View Post
      Oh, lord, insults, because?
      Because this wasn't condescending/snarky?
      Quote Originally Posted by darjr View Post
      The table of contents is in the post. I mean itís right there.
      First, as you can read earlier in the thread, B2 isn't 16 pages.
      Before I posted? Mine was literally the first post. Your response was second. There was no "earlier in the thread" at that point.

      I was asking "How on earth....?" in the way that Calvin's mom says "What are you doing?!?!" when it's quite apparent that he is pounding nails into the coffee table. Sometimes the obvious explanation still doesn't explain things.
    1. darjr's Avatar
      darjr -
      Quote Originally Posted by Elfcrusher View Post
      Because this wasn't condescending/snarky?



      Before I posted? Mine was literally the first post. Your response was second. There was no "earlier in the thread" at that point.

      I was asking "How on earth....?" in the way that Calvin's mom says "What are you doing?!?!" when it's quite apparent that he is pounding nails into the coffee table. Sometimes the obvious explanation still doesn't explain things.
      Wait? Typeing 'table of names' wasn't condescending or snarky? Hardly a good beginning to a nice conversation.

      Second, I meant before I posted. Earlier in the thread, as in from where I wrote that. Some time before your post where you said 16 pages. And why 16 pages? Because it's what you read on the internet vs actually knowing how many pages either actually are?
    1. darjr's Avatar
      darjr -
      I know this isn't every bodies bag. I'm looking forward to it. I hope that they do more of them, and maybe with fewer copies of each and more commentary from the original creators or those close to them or those involved or even details from any historians about the product and their production and invention.
    1. jerryrice4949's Avatar
      jerryrice4949 -
      I don't understand all of the complaining. Goodman has been very upfront about the nature of the product. They specialize in deluxe reprints like they did with judges guild. I would hardly expect them To use their resources on a simple conversion. While the MRSP does seem a little High it will probably be less expensive on Amazon. I plan to buy it later and not preorder though.
    1. Shadow Demon's Avatar
      Shadow Demon -
      I don't get the complaint either. Plus, per the FAQ, there is going to be a PDF for sale which works for me.
    1. RevTurkey's Avatar
      RevTurkey -
      Blimey, what a tough crowd eh? Iíve been impressed with Goodman Gamesí output over the years and they do a good job with hitting that old school sweet spot which I presume is why they were given the green light on this project. They are offering a complete, in-depth tribute to the two modules with many extras. That page count is massive but maybe itíll be a good read as well as usable? The critical comments on here seem very harsh to me. Nobody is being forced to buy this deluxe, luxury product...itís obviously more than just a reprint...which can be found for a small price on drivethru anyway. Itís not even something I want but I donít understand the level of negativity for what looks like a fun trip down memory lane...
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