A Few Images From Erik Mona's Pathfinder 2nd Edition Presentation At GAMA
  • A Few Images From Erik Mona's Pathfinder 2nd Edition Presentation At GAMA


    GAMA Trade Show continues, and Paizo is there in force. Erik Mona today presented a seminar about the Pathfinder Playtest. Here are a few photos courtesy of Paizo -- "Iím stuck way in the back, so my pics arenít great at all! Hopefully these give you an idea of Erikís presentation".











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    1. vpuigdoller's Avatar
      vpuigdoller -
      Those gnomes are looking good!
    1. Shasarak's Avatar
      Shasarak -
      Yeah, love a game that knows how to treat their Gnomes right.
    1. ronaldsf's Avatar
      ronaldsf -
      I am curious - what does "Math balanced across all 20 levels of play" mean? I believe this was part of the initial presentation for D&D 4e. My take is that it is to prevent near-automatic successes and failures. I don't know how this is accomplished without some flattening of the math, however.
    1. EthanSental's Avatar
      EthanSental -
      Was the math not balanced across all 20 levels on PF1 for it to be a talking point in the presentation?
    1. Superchunk77's Avatar
      Superchunk77 -
      Quote Originally Posted by EthanSental View Post
      Was the math not balanced across all 20 levels on PF1 for it to be a talking point in the presentation?
      I'm thinking this is a reference to 5e's bounded accuracy mechanics. As we all know, PF1 had a diminishing return on pretty much any low-level ability, spell, monster etc. once you got close to level 10. A huge portion of the game basically became obsolete and non-threatening. I'm assuming this statement is meant to imply that they will be using a different scale of bounded accuracy that goes from +1 to +20 rather than just +2 to +6.
    1. LuisCarlos17f's Avatar
      LuisCarlos17f -
      The gnomes are the misunderstood Tyrion Lannister of the fantasy races. They only need their own G.R.R Martin.
    1. CapnZapp -
      Quote Originally Posted by LuisCarlos17f View Post
      The gnomes are the misunderstood Tyrion Lannister of the fantasy races. They only need their own G.R.R Martin.
      I'm sure you mean well, but I don't think the discussion is helped by turning a medical condition into a fantasy race/ancestry.

      Tyrion Lannister and Peter Dinklage are humans; not gnomes, halflings or dwarves.
    1. Kramodlog's Avatar
      Kramodlog -
      Quote Originally Posted by CapnZapp View Post
      I'm sure you mean well, but I don't think the discussion is helped by turning a medical condition into a fantasy race/ancestry.

      Tyrion Lannister and Peter Dinklage are humans; not gnomes, halflings or dwarves.
      Dinklage a vulgar human!? He is a demi-god for nerds! Bow in shame. Go drink wine and lie on the lap of a prostitute and pray you are forgiven.
    1. Aldarc's Avatar
      Aldarc -
      Quote Originally Posted by Shasarak View Post
      Yeah, love a game that knows how to treat their Gnomes right.
      Golarion is one of the few settings where I not only can tolerate them, but I kinda enjoy them (e.g., Eberron). That is remarkable for me.
    1. LuisCarlos17f's Avatar
      LuisCarlos17f -
      The gnomes are the ugly duckling of the fantasy races. They aren't very popular among fans, but maybe they only need a character with enough charisma. Tirion Lannister is the ugly duckling of the fantasy for adults, but he is one of the most interesting characters from modern fiction. They have to demonstrate they aren't only midget thiefs with some magic tricks.
    1. Charlaquin's Avatar
      Charlaquin -
      Quote Originally Posted by LuisCarlos17f View Post
      The gnomes are the ugly duckling of the fantasy races. They aren't very popular among fans, but maybe they only need a character with enough charisma. Tirion Lannister is the ugly duckling of the fantasy for adults, but he is one of the most interesting characters from modern fiction. They have to demonstrate they aren't only midget thiefs with some magic tricks.
      In what way is Tyrion an ugly duckling? The character has been universally beloved since his first appearance. Literally the only thing he has in common with gnomes is that theyíre both short. And please donít use that word to refer to people with dwarfism.
    1. LuisCarlos17f's Avatar
      LuisCarlos17f -
      Sorry, English isn't my naive languange.

      Tirion Lannister is a very popular character in our real life, but withing his world, in Westeros. Although he has suffered a lot of scorn, he has showed a man isn't only his body.

      The background of the gnomes from RPGs need to show us they aren't only little bodies with some magic tricks and thief skills. It isn't about being more powerful, but arousing fans' empaty. In the right hands, they can be the main characters of good stories. They only need a good script, a good writter for their stories. The geek fiction is full of stories about "losers" who become champions.
    1. Connorsrpg's Avatar
      Connorsrpg -
      Don't worry @LuisCarlos17f I think people have merely mistaken your 'tone'.
    1. Charlaquin's Avatar
      Charlaquin -
      Quote Originally Posted by LuisCarlos17f View Post
      Sorry, English isn't my naive languange.

      Tirion Lannister is a very popular character in our real life, but withing his world, in Westeros. Although he has suffered a lot of scorn, he has showed a man isn't only his body.

      The background of the gnomes from RPGs need to show us they aren't only little bodies with some magic tricks and thief skills. It isn't about being more powerful, but arousing fans' empaty. In the right hands, they can be the main characters of good stories. They only need a good script, a good writter for their stories. The geek fiction is full of stories about "losers" who become champions.
      I see what you mean now, thank you for clarifying.

      The thing is, I donít think the analogy makes sense. Tyrion is scorned in the fiction and beloved in real life. Gnomes are scorned in real life. And the root of Tyrionís fictional scorn is his size and appearance, whereas the root of Gnomesí real life scorn is their lack of coherent identity in the fiction and tonal mismatch with heroic fantasy. I do agree with your argument that a Gnome character written as well as Tyrion would go a long way to redeeming Gnomes as a race in the eyes of the fans, but I donít think that comparing them to Tyrion actually supports your argument. What Gnomes need of they are ever to be taken seriously is two things: to ditch the comic relief aspect, and to have a racial identity that is unique to Gnomes, rather than just being shorter dwarves or more magical halflings. A well written example character would certainly help with those goals, but yoi could just as easily say that they need a character like Jorah Mormont, or like Aragorn, or hell, Luke Skywalker. The important thing is that they need a well-written fictional example of how gnomes could be cool, and that example really wouldnít look anything like Tyrion Lannister except in the sense that theyíre short. The fictional prejudices that Tyrion overxomes are completely different from either the fictional predjudices Gnomes face or the real-life barriers to their popularity.
    1. MichaelSomething's Avatar
      MichaelSomething -
      Gnomes are super popular! Try to take them out of a phb and witness the ensuing riots.
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