Hobby Games Down 3% But RPGs Up 18%
  • Hobby Games Down 3% But RPGs Up 18%


    ICv2 has produced some new industry figures which suggest that US and Canada hobby game sales dropped by 3% in the last year; however, the tabletop RPG category, which is the smallest subcategory of hobby games, increased by 18%.





    Chart from iCv2


    Of the hobby games category, 40% is collectible games, 45% is miniatures and board games, and 14% is card, dice and roleplaying games.

    Roleplaying games rose from $55M in 2017 to $65M in 2018.

    You can read more over on ICv2.
    Comments 34 Comments
    1. Staffan's Avatar
      Staffan -
      Damn. RPGs have gone from $25M in 2014 to $65M in 2018. That's 160% in 4 years.

      Also, I'm guessing that the right-most column is mislabeled.
    1. Hussar's Avatar
      Hussar -
      Holy crap.

      And, let's be honest here, that's pretty much all 5e D&D. RPG games in 2013, without a WotC D&D is 15 million. Now, 65 million. Looks like 5e hit that old benchmark they wanted for 4e. Well done them.

      The amazing thing is, we're now 5 years into the edition cycle, or just about, and it's been pretty much straight line growth year on year on year. It'll crest eventually, I realize that, but, wow, let's ride the wave dudes.
    1. Jacob Lewis's Avatar
      Jacob Lewis -
      I'll take Useless Numbers at My Table for $1000, Alex.
    1. mykesfree's Avatar
      mykesfree -
      I wonder if this includes Online sales as well as Walmart, Target, and Barnes & Nobel? If not, what people are buying in total is much greater, and that overall games are much higher than what these numbers are showing.
    1. MNblockhead's Avatar
      MNblockhead -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Lewis View Post
      I'll take Useless Numbers at My Table for $1000, Alex.
      Huh?
    1. jmucchiello's Avatar
      jmucchiello -
      I'm guessing Mr Lewis believes that his gaming table and play habits are unaffected by these numbers.
    1. Jacob Lewis's Avatar
      Jacob Lewis -
      Quote Originally Posted by MNblockhead View Post
      Huh?
      It looks like Jeopardy. You know, the game show?
    1. Jacob Lewis's Avatar
      Jacob Lewis -
      Quote Originally Posted by jmucchiello View Post
      I'm guessing Mr Lewis believes that his gaming table and play habits are unaffected by these numbers.
      Sorry, but you must phrase that in the form of a question.
    1. GrahamWills's Avatar
      GrahamWills -
      Possibly the most interesting thing is the linear increase -- a percent $10/year increase. That seems suspiciously exact, so my guess is that their methodology has a lot of estimates (well, actually, they say that it does) so it's a best guess rather than a highly accurate figure.

      It also suggests that individual products are irrelevant to the growth. Or rather, nothing transformative has been released since 2014. This is a very strong state of affairs as it it suggest that people just want to play RPGs rather than jumping on the bandwagon for one reason or another. It could easily be nearly all 5E, (even if you'd expect a difference in the 2014/20-15 gap if it were) but it generally feels like a solid "every year we add X many new players/dollars" curve that suggests a stable category experiencing solid, but limited growth.

      Which is good news!
    1. Rhianni32's Avatar
      Rhianni32 -
      Quote Originally Posted by jmucchiello View Post
      I'm guessing Mr Lewis believes that his gaming table and play habits are unaffected by these numbers.
      The important thing though is that he was affected enough to let us all know how unaffected he is.
    1. Staffan's Avatar
      Staffan -
      Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWills View Post
      Possibly the most interesting thing is the linear increase -- a percent $10/year increase. That seems suspiciously exact, so my guess is that their methodology has a lot of estimates (well, actually, they say that it does) so it's a best guess rather than a highly accurate figure.
      That sounds reasonable. All the numbers in the table end in 0 or 5, which suggests that they've rounded to the nearest multiple of $5M.
    1. Jay Verkuilen's Avatar
      Jay Verkuilen -
      Quote Originally Posted by Staffan View Post
      That sounds reasonable. All the numbers in the table end in 0 or 5, which suggests that they've rounded to the nearest multiple of $5M.
      Which is, in general, smart, and something that folks should do more often with these kinds of numbers.
    1. Staffan's Avatar
      Staffan -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jay Verkuilen View Post
      Which is, in general, smart, and something that folks should do more often with these kinds of numbers.
      Agreed, and it makes perfect sense when talking about numbers in the hundreds. But when the numbers go from 15 to 25 to 65, it can cause some weirdness.
    1. Mistwell's Avatar
      Mistwell -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Lewis View Post
      I'll take Useless Numbers at My Table for $1000, Alex.
      Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Lewis View Post
      It looks like Jeopardy. You know, the game show?
      Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Lewis View Post
      Sorry, but you must phrase that in the form of a question.
      I'll take Useless Replies at My Message Board for $1000, Alex.

      What is your issue with this, Jacob? Or did you just think your snark was witty enough to share?
    1. Jer's Avatar
      Jer -
      Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWills View Post
      Possibly the most interesting thing is the linear increase -- a percent $10/year increase. That seems suspiciously exact, so my guess is that their methodology has a lot of estimates (well, actually, they say that it does) so it's a best guess rather than a highly accurate figure.
      FTA:

      Our primary means of collecting data about hobby games sales is interviews with key industry figures with good visibility to sales in various categories and channels. We also review data released by publicly traded companies, publicly available NPD data, and Kickstarter data and analysis, especially that released by ICO Partners. There were no major changes in methodology for 2018.
      So yeah - the whole thing is basically an estimate.
    1. MNblockhead's Avatar
      MNblockhead -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Lewis View Post
      It looks like Jeopardy. You know, the game show?
      Whoosh... :-)

      Got it.
    1. Jacob Lewis's Avatar
      Jacob Lewis -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mistwell View Post
      What is your issue with this, Jacob? Or did you just think your snark was witty enough to share?
      I thought it looked like the board from Jeopardy. I didn't expect anyone getting so uppity about it. What's your issue?
    1. Aebir-Toril's Avatar
      Aebir-Toril -
      Interesting.
    1. lowkey13's Avatar
      lowkey13 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Lewis View Post
      I thought it looked like the board from Jeopardy. I didn't expect anyone getting so uppity about it. What's your issue?
      I'll be honest, I was confused at first by your comments.

      But now ... I can't unsee it.

      Well played!
    1. Mistwell's Avatar
      Mistwell -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Lewis View Post
      I'll take Useless Numbers at My Table for $1000, Alex.
      Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Lewis View Post
      I thought it looked like the board from Jeopardy. I didn't expect anyone getting so uppity about it. What's your issue?
      Balooney, in part. You said it looked like "useless numbers" to you. That's more than the joke about Jeopardy (though the Jeopardy joke is funny), you just look like you're backing off now on that part since bunch of people called you on it. If you call challenging your opinion as "uppity" that's fine, mark me down as uppidity. Now, can you elaborate on why you think these numbers are "useless"?
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