New Tariffs On RPGs Printed In China
  • New Tariffs On RPGs Printed In China


    ICv2 is reporting on new tariffs on imports to the USA from China, which include various categories of items including toys, comics, and games... including tabletop RPGs. The tariffs are up to 25%. Many game companies print RPG books in China, so this will affect them.





    The New York Times reports on it in more depth.

    So, here's a simple breakdown of it as I understand it -- while tabletop games are not currently under any tariff, they will be affected by the 25% rate coming in a couple of months. There's a grace period of about three weeks for items in transit.

    The tariff doesn't necessarily mean the games will cost 25% more. It's based on the manufacturing and shipping costs, which are only a part of the cost of producing a product. The price increase to consumers, therefore, will likely be substantially lower than 25% (although it's completely up to the companies how they handle it - some might even just absorb it, while others will pass it on).

    It'll likely start showing in prices in games in Autumn or so.

    This, of course, only affects games printed in China and shipped to America. And lost of other things, apart from games!
    Comments 56 Comments
    1. LordNightwinter's Avatar
      LordNightwinter -
      Hopefully companies will either move some of their business back stateside or China will negotiate. Either way would be good for our economy.
    1. Morrus's Avatar
      Morrus -
      Quote Originally Posted by LordNightwinter View Post
      Hopefully companies will either move some of their business back stateside or China will negotiate. Either way would be good for our economy.
      I print in Lithuania and ship to a warehouse in the UK, so I'm fortunately not affected. Goodness knows what the future holds given the big changes going on over here though.
    1. Inchoroi's Avatar
      Inchoroi -
      Rut roh.

      My bosses are going to be upset.
    1. Vicente's Avatar
      Vicente -
      Quote Originally Posted by LordNightwinter View Post
      Hopefully companies will either move some of their business back stateside or China will negotiate. Either way would be good for our economy.
      Not really that simple, if prices go up because of tariffs or because production is more expensive in the US, people will buy less, so bad for the economy.
    1. LuisCarlos17f's Avatar
      LuisCarlos17f -
      Sometimes I read news about China by "The Epoch Times" and my opinion is the businessmen should run away from China if they don't want to be like Richard Gere's character in the movie "Red Corner". China doesn't like speculative fiction very much, nor neither fiction set in pre-revolution historical ages. Speculative fiction is also a propaganda weapon in the cultural war, and we will see this in manga-anime+(Korean Manhwa) vs (Continental, non-Taiwanese) Manhua, also in the videogames industry.

      China wants to buy mass media companies, but the control and censorship will spoil the fiction, and not only speculative fiction ( = fantasy + sci-fi).
    1. Stacie GmrGrl's Avatar
      Stacie GmrGrl -
      Quote Originally Posted by Inchoroi View Post
      Rut roh.

      My bosses are going to be upset.

      Rut roh is right.
    1. Trastone's Avatar
      Trastone -
      I love how people’s comments are so overly simplified about what is going on. There are a lot of implications from short term/long term. Yes the cost goes up for the people/companies importing in the short term. This price may be passed on, but takes time for retail prices to adjust(if they do).

      The real reason for the tariffs is to cause negotiation for more favorable trade. This might be short term and it might be long term depending on whether negotiations happen. If the cost ends up higher on a long term basis than elsewhere you will see companies transition to other suppliers if they can get equal quality or better quality for better prices(if they exist-obviously they do as Morrus states he uses a company in Lithuania).
    1. dave2008's Avatar
      dave2008 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Trastone View Post
      I love how people’s comments are so overly simplified about what is going on.
      Personally I wouldn't expect a detailed analysis of the economics of trade and tariffs on an RPG website, but perhaps my expectations are off
    1. Morrus's Avatar
      Morrus -
      Quote Originally Posted by Trastone View Post
      I love how people’s comments are so overly simplified about what is going on.
      Sure. Provide a detailed economical analysis then. We’ll wait.
    1. Immortal Sun's Avatar
      Immortal Sun -
      Quote Originally Posted by Morrus View Post
      Sure. Provide a detailed economical analysis then. We’ll wait.
      I'm certain folks have posted far more detailed analyses of the impacts of magic on the development of fantasy elven society for their settings than we will ever see socio-political-economic commentary on the trade relationship between China, the USA and everyone else.
    1. mykediemart's Avatar
      mykediemart -
      Quote Originally Posted by dave2008 View Post
      Personally I wouldn't expect a detailed analysis of the economics of trade and tariffs on an RPG website, but perhaps my expectations are off
      What? well some of us do ... now I'm off for legal advice via twitter, and political news from facebook

      I was reading recently China seized and destroyed some CoC books set in Shanghai, just going off memory. This I think should be more concerning.
    1. Wrathamon -
      Quote Originally Posted by dave2008 View Post
      Personally I wouldn't expect a detailed analysis of the economics of trade and tariffs on an RPG website, but perhaps my expectations are off
      This
    1. ccs's Avatar
      ccs -
      Quote Originally Posted by Morrus View Post
      Sure. Provide a detailed economical analysis then. We’ll wait.
      How will that NOT run afoul of the "No politics" rule?
    1. Tyler Pickering's Avatar
      Tyler Pickering -
      I think the biggest products that will be hit hard by this would be the pre-painted miniatures line as they already from what I've heard are pricey to produce in china and if they are affected by this I dont even want to think of what the price will go to.

      I quit buying when they went from 8 figures for 12-14 a pack to 4 figures for 13-15 a pack.
    1. CM's Avatar
      CM -
      This is going to affect Reaper's next Bones kickstarter too, I'm sure.
    1. dave2008's Avatar
      dave2008 -
      Quote Originally Posted by ccs View Post
      How will that NOT run afoul of the "No politics" rule?
      I don't know, economics can be divorced from politics I think. If it is just analysis at least.
    1. Trastone's Avatar
      Trastone -
      Quote Originally Posted by Morrus View Post
      Sure. Provide a detailed economical analysis then. We’ll wait.
      I fell asleep while typing up the snooze fest! Hopefully everything will blow over and my fav games stay around the same price. If not, then I might be buying a few less until wages raise to counter for inflation.. stopping cause it’s just too boring to go on about!
    1. MNblockhead's Avatar
      MNblockhead -
      If the prices do go up significantly for US customers, it should provide a feeling of schadenfreude to European Kickstarter backers.
    1. ccs's Avatar
      ccs -
      Quote Originally Posted by dave2008 View Post
      I don't know, economics can be divorced from politics I think. If it is just analysis at least.
      Sorry, I just don't see that happening.
    1. Greysword's Avatar
      Greysword -
      If this has a noticeable impact, then it will be interesting to watch as people realize just how much of their lives comes from this one country.

      Tariffs will impact some published games (Star Wars) but not others (Star Trek Adventures). Maybe it will entice game manufacturers to move more business to Europe over Asia.

      On a game I'm interested in, the tariffs shouldn't effect the Shadowrun 6e Beginners Box, as it is scheduled for release in June and should be here soon (if not already). However, it could impact the Shadowrun 6e Core Rulebook (scheduled for release at Gen Con in August). Based on their previous fiscal decisions, I'm confident Catalyst Game Labs (CGL) will pass the cost onto the consumer, as they already cut major corners in every other facet of book production (editing, errata, layout, and binding to name a few). I would love it if they would allow the book to be printed in Germany, where they have a personal attachment to the game. I woudl pay more for a book that doesn't fall apart quickly.

      - Chris
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