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| calypso15 | 11th April 2005 02:39 AM |
Quick question: Can you use a shield while mounted?
I couldn't find a reference to it in the rules. It says that if you make a DC 5 Ride check, you can guide with your knees, leaving both hands open.
If so, is there any limitation? Can I use a tower shield while mounted?
Calypso |
| Aust Diamondew | 11th April 2005 02:48 AM |
You can use a shield while mounted. I'm not sure about tower shields. |
| Saeviomagy | 11th April 2005 03:26 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by calypso15 I couldn't find a reference to it in the rules. It says that if you make a DC 5 Ride check, you can guide with your knees, leaving both hands open.
If so, is there any limitation? Can I use a tower shield while mounted?
Calypso
| No limitation. Yes you can use a tower shield. |
| Greylock | 11th April 2005 05:17 AM |
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Originally Posted by Saeviomagy No limitation. Yes you can use a tower shield.
| That -10 ACP is gonna be a mighty big factor on that Ride check, though. |
| Steve Jung | 11th April 2005 05:30 AM |
Except that Ride isn't subject to armor check penalties. |
| Liquidsabre | 11th April 2005 07:08 AM |
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Originally Posted by Saeviomagy Yes you can use a tower shield.
| Ack, I don't see anything that prohibits that but you have to admit it sounds a bit whacked lol. |
| Greylock | 11th April 2005 07:08 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saeviomagy No limitation. Yes you can use a tower shield.
| That +2 Max Dex bonus is gonna be a mighty big factor on that Ride check, though.
[So I'm not a rules lawyer. Least not a very good one. The image of a fellow using a tower shield from horseback hurts my head though. Think encumbrance could be brought into play?] |
| Saeviomagy | 11th April 2005 07:19 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greylock That +2 Max Dex bonus is gonna be a mighty big factor on that Ride check, though.
| I'm afraid it will be no factor at all. Max dex only applies to armour class, nothing else. Quote:
[So I'm not a rules lawyer. Least not a very good one. The image of a fellow using a tower shield from horseback hurts my head though. Think encumbrance could be brought into play?]
| I can't imagine how using a tower shield on horseback is going to be all that more difficult than on foot. Encumbrance might be a factor if you're pathetically weak, and if you don't have tower shield proficiency, you're going to be awful at fighting.
Mind you, this is assuming that "tower shield" refers to a shield that covers the bearer from shoulder to knee, and that other details are left to the imagination of the owner. Specifically it's assumed that the shield will have appropriate cutouts to make bearing it on horseback easier. |
| Steve Jung | 11th April 2005 09:19 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saeviomagy I'm afraid it will be no factor at all. Max dex only applies to armour class, nothing else.
I can't imagine how using a tower shield on horseback is going to be all that more difficult than on foot. Encumbrance might be a factor if you're pathetically weak, and if you don't have tower shield proficiency, you're going to be awful at fighting.
Mind you, this is assuming that "tower shield" refers to a shield that covers the bearer from shoulder to knee, and that other details are left to the imagination of the owner. Specifically it's assumed that the shield will have appropriate cutouts to make bearing it on horseback easier.
| I pictured it as larger than that. And I figure that a person using it would rest it on the ground, hard to do that on horseback and still be useful. Quote:
Originally Posted by Greylock /snip/
Think encumbrance could be brought into play?
| 30 pounds over a heavy steel shield is not inconsequential for a horse. It's a tenth of the load rating of a heavy warhorse (up to 300 lbs: light load) |
| Starglim | 11th April 2005 11:06 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saeviomagy I can't imagine how using a tower shield on horseback is going to be all that more difficult than on foot. Encumbrance might be a factor if you're pathetically weak, and if you don't have tower shield proficiency, you're going to be awful at fighting.
Mind you, this is assuming that "tower shield" refers to a shield that covers the bearer from shoulder to knee, and that other details are left to the imagination of the owner. Specifically it's assumed that the shield will have appropriate cutouts to make bearing it on horseback easier.
| I believe "tower shield" is the D&D name for a pavise, which is a smaller and better-made version of a mantlet. It's a portable wall. It covers the bearer from head to foot if crouching behind it, or from nose to ankle if attacking. |
| yennico | 11th April 2005 01:12 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Jung I pictured it as larger than that. And I figure that a person using it would rest it on the ground, hard to do that on horseback and still be useful.
| I agree with Steve Jung. A tower shield must rest on the ground to be usefull.
I dislikethe picture of persons using towers shields effectively on horses. |
| calypso15 | 11th April 2005 03:46 PM |
When I think tower shield, I think of the old Roman scutum: http://www.romans-in-britain.org.uk/...ier_shield.htm
I can imagine that being used on horseback... but maybe not. What's the alternative? Strap two shields to my horse, one for when I'm mounted and one for when I'm on foot?
Calypso |
| RamYaz | 11th April 2005 10:43 PM |
Tower shield
Quote:
Originally Posted by Starglim I believe "tower shield" is the D&D name for a pavise, which is a smaller and better-made version of a mantlet. It's a portable wall. It covers the bearer from head to foot if crouching behind it, or from nose to ankle if attacking.
| I disagree. The pavise was a type of shield developed to protect crossbowmen in the battlefield. They peeked, shoot and crouched behind it to reload. Therefore, it was too cumbersome for somebody to fight using it; as I think was the designers' intention with the tower shield. ;) |
| ThirdWizard | 11th April 2005 11:03 PM |
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Originally Posted by yennico I agree with Steve Jung. A tower shield must rest on the ground to be usefull.
I dislikethe picture of persons using towers shields effectively on horses.
| Really it isn't resting on the ground when in use, since you're assumed to gain full benefit from all sides when using one. Also, you can be hussling across the battlefield or even in the middle of a jump and still keep your shield bonus from it. I don't think wielding it while riding a horse is too far fetched. |
| werk | 14th April 2005 10:03 PM |
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| calypso15 | 14th April 2005 10:05 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by werk
| A Pavise was set on the ground, often in a stand, and archers stood behind them. There's not really any way ANYONE could fight with one of those, mounted or not. Obviously, tower shields can be used in combat, so I think it must be smaller.
Calypso |
| werk | 14th April 2005 10:14 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by calypso15 A Pavise was set on the ground, often in a stand, and archers stood behind them. There's not really any way ANYONE could fight with one of those, mounted or not. Obviously, tower shields can be used in combat, so I think it must be smaller.
Calypso
| SRD:This massive wooden shield is nearly as tall as you are. In most situations, it provides the indicated shield bonus to your AC. However, you can instead use it as total cover, though you must give up your attacks to do so.
I don't know...as tall as you are...total cover...sounds like a pavise. I agree that a pavise can't be wielded in battle, but I think a tower shield should be like a tower, usually heavy and sitting on the ground. |
| calypso15 | 14th April 2005 10:18 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by werk SRD:This massive wooden shield is nearly as tall as you are. In most situations, it provides the indicated shield bonus to your AC. However, you can instead use it as total cover, though you must give up your attacks to do so.
I don't know...as tall as you are...total cover...
| You make a compelling argument :D But no one has suggested any alternatives... my DM has already okayed my custom feat that removes the -2 attack penalty (Tower Shield Specialization). So, I either have to fight on foot as much as possible, thus making the point of having a mount, well, nonexistant, or I have to use a DIFFERENT shield while mounted. Suggestions?
Calypso |
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