In another Forum there is a person claiming that RAW say "Ranged attacks in a Full Attack action don't provoke an AoO." This is based off of;
Quote:
Originally Posted by SRD
Table: Actions in Combat
Standard Action Attack of Opportunity1
Attack (melee) No
Attack (ranged) Yes
...
Full-Round Action Attack of Opportunity1
Full attack No
My questions are;
Do you play this way?
Have you ever heard of anyone playing this way (other than here)?
My thoughts
My interpretation is the "no" refers to the act of Full Attack, not how you are attacking. How you attack (ranged, unarmed, disarm, sword...)is a seperate question and can provoke an AoO.
And I have never in 8+ years of 3.x DnD ever heard anyone claim this.
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Taking the Full Attack action, by itself, does not provoke an AoO. However, you make multiple "Attack (ranged)"s as part of the full attack. Each one of these Attacks provokes an AoO (although in almost all cases, an enemy can only make one AoO against you).
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Taking the Full Attack action, by itself, does not provoke an AoO. However, you make multiple "Attack (ranged)"s as part of the full attack. Each one of these Attacks provokes an AoO (although in almost all cases, an enemy can only make one AoO against you).
+2 I have never seen anyone do that.
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Yeah... Whoever is claiming this doesn't seem to really get the rules. If you try to shoot someone right next to you, no matter how many times you try, you are going to get smacked. It doesn't matter if you try to shoot someone 3 times or once, anyone that's fighting you is going to try to stop your shots.
So, never seen, never heard of this interpretation until now.
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Agree with DG. Full attack doesn't provoke. However, each individual ranged attack within provokes. 4 missiles shot = 4 AOO's.
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Agree with DG. Full attack doesn't provoke. However, each individual ranged attack within provokes. 4 missiles shot = 4 AOO's.
Yep. Famous last words... "I guess we will see if he has combat reflexes..." only followed by the slightly less famous "Let me try again, no way his dex can be that high..."
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While we are on this topic, is there any way for the archer to avoid provoking the AoOs? Assuming he can't move out of reach. Is there a "casting defensively" equivalent for ranged attacks?
If you are using an Exotic Ranged weapon (such as the Greatbow), the Exotic Weapon Master PrC from CW has Close Quarters Ranged Combat. Never found anything else (and rightly so, IMO).
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If you are using an Exotic Ranged weapon (such as the Greatbow), the Exotic Weapon Master PrC from CW has Close Quarters Ranged Combat. Never found anything else (and rightly so, IMO).
Order of the Bow Initiates (also from CW) get Close Combat Shot (and don't have to use an exotic weapon to do it).
The 'Arrow Mind' spell (SpC) (Ranger 1, Sor/Wiz 1) lets you threaten all squares in your normal melee range with a bow. This allows you to make attacks of opportunity, as well as not provocing attacks of opportunity yourself when you fire the bow within melee range of someone else.
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Yep. Famous last words... "I guess we will see if he has combat reflexes..." only followed by the slightly less famous "Let me try again, no way his dex can be that high..."
Except I'm pretty sure one character with Combat Reflexes can't make multiple attacks against the same target, so the archer taking 4 shots at the CR fighter next to him with a 16+ Dex only gets hit once (potentially).
You agree with a "never seen", but then say you have seen it before.
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Except I'm pretty sure one character with Combat Reflexes can't make multiple attacks against the same target, so the archer taking 4 shots at the CR fighter next to him with a 16+ Dex only gets hit once (potentially).
Incorrect. Each attack constitutes a new opportunity.
There's also no limit to the number of different attackers that may get opportunity attacks for each opportunity.
I have to reluctantly agree that the RAW supports the multiple AoO against a character making a full attack with a ranged weapon and that CR would allow mutliple AoO against the archer.
I personally only would apply it once - as the it seems totally unfair and I would considere the making a ranged attack as part of a full attack action to only be "one" opening here.
I also have a a huge difficulty when applying this rule to spellcasters (and manifestors).
For example a spellcaster in a threatened square makes a successful casting defensively check and then casts a ranged touch attack spell. One school of thought says that the spellcasting and the attack are two separate actions and thus the spellcaster must find a way to avoid 2 AoO. My logic on this is that the attack is part of the spellcasting and thus a successful casting defensively check would eliminate the AoO (well actually the AoO is eliminated by choosing to cast defensively the check is to see if the spell gets off). But it is possible to read the rules to support both sides on the casting/manifesting issue, IMO - with the basis for the argument being on multiple AoO for a full attack with a ranged weapon.
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