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Old 2nd April 2009, 08:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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cleric spells for finding the bad guy?

I have an enemy who has disappeared with a valuable weapon. I need to find out any & all spells that an 8th level cleric could cast, which will discover where the enemy is, or at least where the item is. The enemy could be in the same town I'm in, or could be anywhere else on the continent. However, the enemy would not be on another plane.

Any ideas? So far I have Circle Dance & Locate Object. Neither is good enough.
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Old 4th April 2009, 12:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If you have the Knowledge Domain, there is Clairaudience/Clairvoyance. If there are dead bodies around that used to work with him, there is Speak with Dead. That's all I can think of in the Core Rules without bringing in some of my campaign's spells (fire-speak, the walls have ears, etc.)

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Commune will help you narrow the research if you ask the good questions.
You can also use Divination to get some ideas before casting Commune
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Commune will help you narrow the research if you ask the good questions.
You can also use Divination to get some ideas before casting Commune
He's a level short for either, though, under normal circumstances. He'd need a Candle of Invocation or some such to be able to prepare them.
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Isn't there a locate creature spell somewhere?
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He's a level short for either, though
He could cast divination. You're right about commune, though.
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I actually gave Divination a shot at the game I just played. It worked kinda OK -- we got a name. It's just... the name is completely foreign and doesn't seem to help us at all yet. That seems to be perfectly in line with how the spell works, so I should have expected as much.

If we open this up to low-level sorcerer scrolls, what do we get then? We have a sorcerer on the team, but can only do 4th level and below.
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I actually gave Divination a shot at the game I just played. It worked kinda OK -- we got a name. It's just... the name is completely foreign and doesn't seem to help us at all yet. That seems to be perfectly in line with how the spell works, so I should have expected as much.

If we open this up to low-level sorcerer scrolls, what do we get then? We have a sorcerer on the team, but can only do 4th level and below.
That could work - for a Sorcerer, Scrying is a 4th level spell, not 5th. It's a little much to ask him to take it as a spell known, though, as it doesn't normally see all that much use... and you'll have it next level, for less.
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You can also buy scrolls of higher level spells, if you are able to. Casting them just requires a caster level check. A bit of a gamble, but what else is the d20 used for =v).
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You can also buy scrolls of higher level spells, if you are able to. Casting them just requires a caster level check. A bit of a gamble, but what else is the d20 used for =v).
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Scroll save DC's are generally minimal (literally).
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