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We've got a new typing system, but I won't go into detail yet. I don't want to scoop some of our Monster Manual preview material.
One thing I will say: In general, we want more powers to affect more creatures. Saying that a PC race (or a bipedal, intelligent monster, for that matter) isn't a "person" because of some pretty arcane typing rules is something we're moving away from.
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Are creature types going to remain mostly unchanged in 4e, or will there be some new system in place form determining what effects who?
I ask this because Tieflings were considered Outsiders in 3e, but their new incarnation makes them out to be more 'Monstrous Humanoid'.
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This could fix quite a few issues. One of the problems I've had in the past with some of the 'alternate' races players have wanted to play is that they are immune to so many spells. Aasimar spring to mind. I wouldn't allow anyone to play one unless they agreed that they were affected all the things that affect human, but they are immune to due to their outsider type (hold person, charm person, dominate person, etc...). I wasn't thrilled when the faq added that all aasimar are proficient with martial weapons either. IMO, if a spell is limited by the fact that it only affects PC races (and certain monsters), then it should affect all PC races. [/Ramble]
Haven't we seen some surprising 'humanoids' already? Wasn't the spined devil 'humanoid'?
Yeah, this mirrors the changes that I made to the planetouched a while ago, and help keep it in step with making it easier to create monster PC's, so I'm glad to hear it.
This is also good news for the folks that have been worried about wizards being blaster-masters. I don't think that the changing of type rules would be necessary if there weren't still quite a few mind-affecting/etc. spells going around.
The fundamental design problem is Types tend to give stackable resistances and immunities, but give corresponding downsides or vulnerabilities that stack.
So you start seeing creatures with a dizzying array of SR + immunities + resistances + a saving throw, there is strong incentive for the player to simply use the most boring options against any unknown creature.
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Well, one of the changes to the "type" rules was blown in "Ecology of the Fire Archon." Now, all creatures that are extensively allied with a particular element are considered to be "elementals."
So, for example, Archons, Efreet, Djinn and Salamanders will all be "elementals."
Well, one of the changes to the "type" rules was blown in "Ecology of the Fire Archon." Now, all creatures that are extensively allied with a particular element are considered to be "elementals."
It also told us that the elemental type doesn't automatically grant Darkvision. <Shrug>
Tell that to all those people who died in the gulags, you insensitive son of a -
Wait, that was commAs? Oh. Well, never mind.
I can't remember the last time I actually LOL'ed at an EN World post ...
Well played, Sir.
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Well, one of the changes to the "type" rules was blown in "Ecology of the Fire Archon." Now, all creatures that are extensively allied with a particular element are considered to be "elementals."
So, for example, Archons, Efreet, Djinn and Salamanders will all be "elementals."
Hmmm! We also know that giants will be much more closely tied to their element, with huge giants apparently having very close ties.
Perhaps the "types" won't be exclusive anymore. A creature can be both a "giant" and an "elemental" without one of those types being relegated to a subtype.
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