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Implication of choosing powers from another class's list
I am talking of course about the Warlock who quite clearly has been allowed to select a Wizard power.
I expect many have noted that Tira, the level 1 Warlock, has access to a wizard power. It's probably been discussed before but I didn't find any thread.
Ray of Frost : Wizard Attack 1
I suppose that is why she is using a +2 to attack and damage instead of +4 ; she is using her intelligence modifier (as befit a wizard powers) instead of charisma.
So, first of all, is there an errata? (thus making the whole thread superfluous)?
If not, anyone has any information regarding this feature? Will this carry over in 4ed or they were just short one power for the warlock at the time the PC was created? It it can be done, what are the restriction? Perhaps you can only do it a limited number of time and the power selected must be or your power source type (i.e. Arcane for Warlock)...
Secondly, is it a good idea? I'm ambivalent. If it's not too common, this allow for some customization beyond just selecting feats. On the other hand I like the uniqueness of each class and this endanger it.
I for one hope there are some limits on it, if not the classes all sort of run together. I dont think much has been said about it other then classes can take other classes powers to some minor degree if they dont want to multiclass.
It has been hinted that she is getting this through her racial ability as a Half-elf. A rcial ability/power to pick 1 power from another class or something.
That would be a very powerful ability. Is there restrictions or can a half elf fighter really have at will magic missiles?
The clear answer is a loud and resounding maybe!
Useless conjecture for now, it's entirely possible it's a Warlock thing, or anyone can do it but Half-Elves are better at it, or any number of other possibilies.
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That would be a very powerful ability. Is there restrictions or can a half elf fighter really have at will magic missiles?
It should be pointed out that for the purposes of balance I can see little difference between MM and a bow. But it may be that WotC agrees that it would be too powerful, since the updated Warlock has Ray of Frost as an encounter ability instead of an at will ability.
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I dont think much has been said about it other then classes can take other classes powers to some minor degree if they dont want to multiclass.
I can verify that THIS exact thing was not said as there is one glaring error in its wording. However, I can't say what that error is since it would be against my NDA.
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I can verify that THIS exact thing was not said as there is one glaring error in its wording. However, I can't say what that error is since it would be against my NDA.
"Classes can take other classes powers to some minor degree through the use of feats, which is how (or at least one of the ways) you multiclass in 4e?"
"... which is how (or at least one of the ways) you multiclass in 4e?"
I think it's pretty clear by now that class training is the only form of multiclassing in 4e. What verified it in my mind is Podcast #20 which all but confirms class training feats as the only form of multiclassing.
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I for one hope there are some limits on it, if not the classes all sort of run together.
I remember a WOTC source saying that there was a "essence" of each class that could not be obtaind through multiclassing. It might have been Podcast #20. Compare that to Third Edition classes, where virtually every part of a class can be gained through multiclassing.
Also, I doubt that you can grab powers willy-nilly. There's probably some restriction along the lines of requiring at least one at-will power from a class before you can get their per-encounter powers.
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I'm not surprised they changed it to "per encounter."
At will magic missiles really wouldn't be a problem. Its about equivalent to at will archery, except its probably even worse for many classes, since you'd need an implement to get the most out of it.
But some of the at will mobility powers might be a little more questionable. I don't know for sure, of course, but its a suspicion I have.
It should be pointed out that for the purposes of balance I can see little difference between MM and a bow. But it may be that WotC agrees that it would be too powerful, since the updated Warlock has Ray of Frost as an encounter ability instead of an at will ability.
My personal guess is that the Half-Elf racial power allows you to get one power from a different class of the same power source; that'd keep down the Fighter/Magic Missile problem (and this fits our 1 data point).
I think it will simply be possible to pick someone else's powers whenever you wanted to.
Maybe there will be some restrictions such as:
- a minimum score in the other class' primary attribute
- a maximum number of cross-class powers you can select
- a maximum number of other classes from which to select those powers
But it's also possible that there will be no restrictions at all.
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