Go Back   EN World D&D / RPG News > D&D 4th Edition Discussion > D&D 4th Edition Rules

D&D 4th Edition Rules Ask questions about 4th-Edition rules and the like in here. General discussion about 4E or any other game belongs in General RPG Discussion, above.

 
Share LinkBack (5) Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 31st July 2008, 10:11 AM   #181 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Dire Bare's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Boise, Idaho
Posts: 1,054
Dire Bare Hobgoblin Soldier (Lvl 3)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Herald of I View Post
This is a little bit speculative, but the Ashardalon Dragon article seems to suggest that druids use staffs as implements.
Well . . . while druids may indeed get staff as an implement choice, this fluff is taken directly from the 3e set of adventure modules.
__________________
Brian Zuber

Proud Member of ENWorld since 2000 (under several lost screen names). Gaming since the mid-80s!

Favorite Settings: Love all of the official settings, Mystara is my nostalgia fave! Trying to create a homebrew that blends the best elements of the various settings. Favorite Edition: Can't decide between 3rd Edition and 4th Edition, like them both!
Dire Bare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st July 2008, 06:58 PM   #182 (permalink)
Silver Flame Archivist
 
drothgery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 8,096
drothgery Goblin Sharpshooter (Lvl 2)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobold Avenger View Post
They've mentioned the bard being in PHB2 a few times, they've mentioned the bard being an arcane leader, and they've implied that there will be a DDI preview of the Bard before PHB2.
Yeah, but this is absolutely-down-in-print-somewhere stuff.

I'm trying to finish off the non-arcane leader bard dead-enders...
__________________
Dave Rothgery

PBP
Spoiler:

My EnWorld Blog
Republic and Empire
Buffverse M&M game

Characters
Active
Sanne Bacher d'Lyrandar in S@squ@tch's Against the Giants - Team Black

Inactive
Istara Kandorian in Ankh-Morpork Guard's Star Wars: Rebels with Style
Eric Hassel (Quarterback) in Jemal's Mutant High
Sariel in Rumspringa's Keep on the Shadowfell
Khalia ir'Indari in DEFCON1's Eye of the Lich Queen
Serrana Vao in Karl Green's Knights of the Old Republic (with 213 things Serrana can't do in the Jedi Order)
Italimelk in Living ENWorld
Daellin ir'Ayellan in stonegod's Expedition to Castle Ravenloft
drothgery's Victorian Eberron game
Star Wars/KotOR Era - The Second K'ril Incursion
drothgery is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 4th August 2008, 11:46 PM   #183 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 3
Otogi Goblin Sharpshooter (Lvl 2)
I know the Elemental power source is about a quarter of decade from release, but is there any idea on what the classes might be, besides the Controller (Elementalist)?
Otogi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15th August 2008, 09:25 AM   #184 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Ondo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 159
Ondo Goblin Sharpshooter (Lvl 2)
Replaced this:
Gnomes are in the PHB2 (source). Others races in the PHB2 start with D, G, H, and S, and have second letters O, E, and H, and one has the final letter R (source, source). A Goliath appears on the cover, as well as what may be a Gnome or Shifter.

With this:
Gnomes, Half-Orcs, Goliaths, and Shifters will be in the PHB2 (source, source). There will also be a race that starts with a D, and a race (possibly the same one) that has a second letter of E (source, source).

Thanks for the catalog link, drothgery. I'll try and update with the rest of the info people posted soon.
__________________
Compiled info on upcoming classes & races
Because informed speculation is the best speculation.
Ondo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15th August 2008, 05:23 PM   #185 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Rockville, MD, USA
Posts: 2,672
fba827 Orc Berserker (Lvl 4)
Ondo, nice work in keeping up with this!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ondo View Post
Swordmage
In your classes section, for this entry, you may want to list that this is confirmed for the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide (it's listed in the book's description on WotC anyway). And while I may be wrong, I have a strange recollection that in some interview one of the WotC team said there are no plans to recycle info from one guide to the next (so it won't get reprinted in a future PHBX), so chances are high this will be the only book with it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ondo View Post
Genasi
Since this was listed in the preview pdf for Forgotten Realms RPGA stuff, it's a good extrapolation that this will be in either the PHB2 (which answers the question on the race having an E as the second letter) or in the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide (if they are doing races in that book; the WotC product description mentions classes, feats and so on but no mention of races either way).

Same is true of Drow.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ondo View Post
Goliath
Although you did include this in your PHB2 section, for your races section on this entry, you may want to list it confirmed for the PHB2. (or a note to "see PHB2" or something for those looking down to race rather than knowing it'll be in that book)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ondo View Post
Half-Orc
Same thing I wrote for Goliath, see above.
__________________
If you're bored and like to follow links provided by random strangers, check out my ENWorld Blog http://www.enworld.org/forum/blogs/fba827/
It will have campaign logs and random thoughts...
fba827 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15th August 2008, 05:32 PM   #186 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 99
jelmore Goblin Sharpshooter (Lvl 2)
Quote:
Originally Posted by fba827 View Post
Ondo, nice work in keeping up with this!

Genasi
Since this was listed in the preview pdf for Forgotten Realms RPGA stuff, it's a good extrapolation that this will be in either the PHB2 (which answers the question on the race having an E as the second letter) or in the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide (if they are doing races in that book; the WotC product description mentions classes, feats and so on but no mention of races either way).

Same is true of Drow.
The Living Forgotten Realms RPGA preview specifically says that the swordmage, drow, and genasi excerpts come from the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide, not the PHB2.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x.../lfrcharacters
jelmore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th August 2008, 01:16 PM   #187 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 42
redrover Goblin Sharpshooter (Lvl 2)
As long as we are speculating on the new classes, I’d like to toss in a “W”:

the Witch-Doctor.

A long time ago (1e MM), nonhuman races had tribal subleader types who were either shamans or witch-doctors. The former had cleric spells and the latter had a mix of wizard and cleric spells.

The witch-doctor combined Divine and Arcane powers and could well be configured as a Primal Controller.

Primitive cultures currently have no arcane spellcaster archetype (I suppose you might patch in a Warlock, but this still leaves tribal cultures without a controller type. Druids aren't thematic for a lot of tribal cultures).

Since the old witch-doctor was very close to the shaman, it is a fertile field for keeping the name and concept, while doing an orginal take for the new edition.

If you were going to empower a completely Primal setting, then you’d have to fill this niche with something.

A Witch is a long shot, IMO. I haven’t seen WotC do too many gender-specific classes in core books.


Shamans: Definitely a returning concept. It’s appeared in Dragon magazine several times over the years and there was even a 2e “Shaman” book.
redrover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th August 2008, 02:54 PM   #188 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Walking Dad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Europe
Posts: 5,407
Walking Dad Goblin Sharpshooter (Lvl 2)
I don't want to sound rude, but Witch-Doctor is the new confirmed class in the Diablo 3 game. I think WotC should wait with releasing something with that name, or they will be once more accused to steal 4e from computer games.

PS: Shaman was a standard-class in Oriental Adventures 3e and the Spirit Shaman was a standard-class in Complete Divine.
__________________
Signature

Hi I'm a comic and rpg nerd. Don't hurt me, please.

PS: English is NOT my native language!

May the 4th be with you!

PbPs

Interested in
http://www.cinga.ch/naturalone/


Invisible Castle
Brinkster

My Houserules

I am SpiderClan
Walking Dad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th August 2008, 04:49 PM   #189 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Andor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Enterprise, Florida
Posts: 2,778
Andor Orc Berserker (Lvl 4)
Send a message via AIM to Andor
Another possibility for a Primal 'T' class occurs to me. The Totemist. I would be stoked to see that, the totemist of one of my favorite classes from 3e.
__________________
-Andor

"Congratulations. You just invented 'negligent regicide.'" - Schlock Mercenary

Seeking a game in Florida.
Andor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th August 2008, 07:30 PM   #190 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Vayden's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Indiana
Posts: 358
Vayden Goblin Sharpshooter (Lvl 2)
Didn't see it on the front page or the last two pages - the latest previews article mentioned the Warlock gaining another option (Dark Pact) in one of the Forgotten Realms books (I think Player's Guide).
__________________
Rick Reroll -- Deadly Rickster Utility 26 Daily
Choose one: you reroll one die roll you just made and keep the higher result; or the DM rerolls one die roll he just made and keeps the lower result.
Vayden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th August 2008, 01:26 AM   #191 (permalink)
[RyokoMocha]
 
Aaron L's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Clearfield, PA, USA, Earth
Posts: 3,370
Aaron L has disabled Experience Points
Send a message via AIM to Aaron L Send a message via MSN to Aaron L Send a message via Yahoo to Aaron L
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mort_Q View Post
I always thought of Ki as being a subset of Psi.

You aren't alone in that, my friend.
Aaron L is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th September 2008, 04:17 PM   #192 (permalink)
Registered User
 
FabioMilitoPagliara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Salerno (Italy)
Posts: 259
FabioMilitoPagliara Goblin Sharpshooter (Lvl 2)
as for the ki vs psi it can be seen as 2 faces of the same medal

chackra vs mental?
__________________
regards, Fabio
FabioMilitoPagliara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th September 2008, 09:11 PM   #193 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: New Orleans, Louisana
Posts: 1,762
Caliber Goblin Sharpshooter (Lvl 2)
The new name for Aasimars, according to the FRPG, is Deva, which meshes quite nicely with the large De- shaped hole in the PHB II's racial lineup.

I think we now have ourselves a winner.
__________________
“When one awakes, and rolls from his pallet, and strides across the cold rushes to put flame to lantern. When the world is asleep around him. When the whippoorwill sings and crickets speak. When one is alone, in silence, with nothing but a book. That, my son, is glory. That is all the glory a man ever needs, and more besides.” - Sage Poridel Poriden, Sins of Our Fathers

Are you running SoW and are interested in getting some ideas on the overarching plot?
Looking for better ways to tie the disparate modules together?
Come visit my thread on doing exactly that! Also, visit the wiki it inspired! Player's stay out!
Caliber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th September 2008, 09:32 PM   #194 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 280
Vael Goblin Sharpshooter (Lvl 2)
Certainly seems like it. So, the Deva, Gnome, Goliath, Half-Orc and Shifter. Not a bad lineup. I wonder how many Shifters are going to be there, the MM had Razorclaw and Longtooth, but there are 4 others in the core ECS, plus Races of Eberron added some more IIRC.
Vael is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th September 2008, 05:15 AM   #195 (permalink)
Registered User
 
GMforPowergamers's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: City of Sharn
Posts: 927
GMforPowergamers Goblin Sharpshooter (Lvl 2)
I wonder if razor claw shifters will have...CLAWS?!?!?!?!?!??!?!
GMforPowergamers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15th September 2008, 02:38 AM   #196 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Ondo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 159
Ondo Goblin Sharpshooter (Lvl 2)
Okay, I think I'm now pretty much up-to-date, though I'll be looking for more info. If there's anything I've missed, let me know.

I'm not including info on new options for existing classes currently. If anyone else wants to start a thread for that, I'd be happy to link to it and inform you of any news I find. Until then, please mention such news here for the benefit of anyone who later decides to do this (possibly me, if I change my mind), but I won't be adding it to the OP.

To note one I've found, the Tempest Fighter option from Martial Power is mentioned here.

Here's the changes I made:

Replaced this:
There will be Barbarian previews on DDI later this year (source).
with this:
A playtest version of the Barbarian is planned for the October issue of Dragon (source).

Added this:
(Probably Devas, as the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide mentions that is the new name for Aasimars.)

Added this:
One of the classes is a Leader class that "travels with a 'buddy' who keeps the party in tip-top shape" (source).

Replaced this:
The Monk is not a Martial Striker, and as of D&D XP they had not seriously started designing the class (source).
with this:
The Monk uses the Ki power source (PHB). As of D&D XP 2008 they had not seriously started designing the class (source).

Added this:
Significant preview of the Swordmage here.

Added this:
Deva
This is the new name for the Aasimar (FRPG).

Drow
Significant preview of the Drow here.

And this:
Significant preview of the Genasi here.

I also added notes on where classes and races will show up in the sections for each class and race, rather than leaving the info only in the products section.
__________________
Compiled info on upcoming classes & races
Because informed speculation is the best speculation.
Ondo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15th September 2008, 06:18 AM   #197 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Ondo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 159
Ondo Goblin Sharpshooter (Lvl 2)
Added this:
Ranadiel has a thread compiling all known info on upcoming products on WotC's boards here.

Replaced this:
There will also be a race that starts with a D, and a race (possibly the same one) that has a second letter of E (source, source).

with this:
as well as one more race (source) that starts with De (source, source).

Added this:
This thread in Greg Bilsland's blog has pictures of a fight that include four PCs, all with PHB2 classes, and various vague hints.
__________________
Compiled info on upcoming classes & races
Because informed speculation is the best speculation.
Ondo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15th September 2008, 07:03 AM   #198 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Mithreinmaethor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Wichita, KS
Posts: 178
Mithreinmaethor Goblin Sharpshooter (Lvl 2)
De is part of Deva. Mentioned in the FRPG. Also The Sh one will be Shifter. Look at the cover art.
__________________
"Ná Eru veria le, ná elenath dín síla erin rád o chuil lín."
Mithreinmaethor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th September 2008, 09:17 AM   #199 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Ondo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 159
Ondo Goblin Sharpshooter (Lvl 2)
Removed info about races and classes in the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide, since they're no longer upcoming. Specifically, removed all this:

Quote:
The Forgotten Realms Player's Guide will include the Swordmage, as well as Drow and Genasi (source). It will also include a multiclass-only class for characters with spellscars (source). Barbarians, Bards, Druids, and Gnomes will be mentioned in Forgotten Realms products (source), as will Half-Orcs and Goliaths (source).
Quote:
Swordmage
Significant preview of the Swordmage here. It will be in the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide.

Significant info on the Swordmage here. Info from a 5th level Swordmage in an RPGA adventure here.

"Multiclassing into swordmage is pretty easy for a wizard (and vice versa)" (source). Swordmages like Int and Str (source).

Swordshock is a 17th level encounter power for Swordmages that sheathes their sword in lightning (source).
Quote:
Drow
Significant preview of the Drow here. They will be in the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide.

Genasi
Significant preview of the Genasi here. They will be in the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide.

Genasi ability adjustments "don’t really support warlock all that well"; they have elemental manifestations, which are "really righteous racial abilities"; Firesoul and Stormsoul are two of the options (source).
__________________
Compiled info on upcoming classes & races
Because informed speculation is the best speculation.
Ondo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th October 2008, 08:19 AM   #200 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: New Paltz, NY
Posts: 9,008
Rechan Bugbear Strangler (Lvl 6)
You know. A thought occurred to me last night.

What if the I is for the Inquisitor. But the Inquisitor is the Divine Controller, not a striker.

When I think of Inquisitors, I don't really see them dancing around the battlefield sticking people in the gut and saying "You never expected that!"
__________________
Seeking players in the New York - New Paltz area.
Rechan is offline   Reply With Quote


Bookmarks

Tags
future classes, future races, pre-release, previews, wotc

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


LinkBacks (?)
LinkBack to this Thread: http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-4th-edition-rules/224280-compiled-info-upcoming-classes-races.html
Posted By For Type Date
Compiled info on upcoming classes & races - Page 2 - EN World D&D / RPG News This thread Refback 13th September 2008 12:25 AM
Dungeons and Dragons 4th Edition - View topic - No really, where's my bard? This thread Refback 12th September 2008 10:31 AM
[4E]What roles do you think iconic D&D classes will have in the upcoming supplements? - Giant in the Playground Forums This thread Refback 3rd September 2008 12:55 PM
[4E]What roles do you think iconic D&D classes will have in the upcoming supplements? - Giant in the Playground Forums This thread Refback 3rd September 2008 11:37 AM
[4E]What roles do you think iconic D&D classes will have in the upcoming supplements? - Giant in the Playground Forums This thread Refback 3rd September 2008 11:27 AM

And yet another word from our sponsors
Visit Our Sponsors
Visit Our Sponsors... Again
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0.1

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:36 AM.


Site Contents © 2008 ENWorld
PHP Ajax Multimedia Web Framework © 2008 Digital Media Graphix
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.2.0

"Vault Data" powered by VaultWiki v2.5.1.
Copyright © 2008 - 2009, Cracked Egg Studios.