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Old 10th November 2008, 06:18 PM   #241 (permalink)
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.... the [inquisitor] will be a high damage against specific creatures (undeads, demons) or will be something like a striker/leader.
I'm betting they won't go overly specific for what types of creature a striker is good against. If you want a character to deal extra damage to undead, give him radiant damage, but don't force him to go looking for undead and deamons to fight in order to fill his role. He may have one or two powers (a la turn undead) the specifically targets a type, but that (hopefully) will never be a main schtick.

I also hope for the inquisitor...and i hope they don't go stereo typical "Witch hunting/spanish inquisitor Lawful Evil in the name of Good" in the description. I think they should be field agents of the church...eyes and ears of the church and when needed, the fiery holy scalpel, (a nice counterpoint in millitary might to the paladin) but they should uphold ALL of their deities ideals. Paladins of Bahamut should be upright and just in their questionings, they want the truth. Once they have the truth, the gloves are off of course. An inquisitor of an evil god has free liscence to be as corrupt as he wants. I think a good term for their striker bonus damage would be 'censure'....
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Old 11th November 2008, 08:34 AM   #242 (permalink)
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I don't know how everyone missed it...or if I am missing the link somewhere...but there is a new power for artificer in the character builder. It is an @will so I am assumeing it will lead to info o other builds...it is called Magic weapon...an extra bonus to hit basic attack fuiled by INT with ranged or melee weapons...
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Old 11th November 2008, 08:49 AM   #243 (permalink)
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I don't know how everyone missed it...or if I am missing the link somewhere...but there is a new power for artificer in the character builder. It is an @will so I am assumeing it will lead to info o other builds...it is called Magic weapon...an extra bonus to hit basic attack fuiled by INT with ranged or melee weapons...
Seems like they are addressing the "human" problem from what they put up ... which means they will probably do the same thing once they add the bard. The barbarian, since it seems to follow the Rogue/Ranger/Warlord ibuild type [2 neutral at-wills, 1 specific at-will for each build] were able to include 3 at-wills in case of human PCs, as opposed to the paladin/cleric concept where you have 2 at-wills per build and thus showing 1 build means showing only 2 at-wills.
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Old 11th November 2008, 09:05 PM   #244 (permalink)
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For the record, there were european monks who were fighting men as well as asian ones.

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Yeah, the most notorious of which were called the Knights Templar. :P
In D&D they have been traditionally been tied to the Cleric and Paladin classes since the olde days.
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Old 12th November 2008, 05:34 AM   #245 (permalink)
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Well, according to this, the remaining two classes for the PH2 are the Invoker and the Avenger, likely a Divine Controller and Striker, respectively. The Avenger was probably originally called the Templar, giving us our "T" class, but was since renamed.
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Well, according to this, the remaining two classes for the PH2 are the Invoker and the Avenger, likely a Divine Controller and Striker, respectively. The Avenger was probably originally called the Templar, giving us our "T" class, but was since renamed.
That is a surprise!

Possibly the Templar will appear in the Dark Sun Players Guide

And I bet Inquisitor and Theurge will not be waisted either... or they will become classes (official or not) or paragon paths...
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Old 22nd November 2008, 03:50 AM   #247 (permalink)
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The december wizards editorial shows the druid and the invoker as playtests articles in Dragon#370.
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Old 1st December 2008, 12:40 PM   #248 (permalink)
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The playtest of the druid is online: D&D Druid, Levels 1-3
It´s free, but do not deliver the announced 3rd level powers.
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The playtest of the druid is online: D&D Druid, Levels 1-3
It´s free, but do not deliver the announced 3rd level powers.
For those who don't have insider, it's a Primal Controller, with an at-will toggle called Wild Shape that lets it switch back and forth between ranged area attacks and melee attacks.

**edit - nevermind, it wasn't Insider. **
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Old 1st December 2008, 02:59 PM   #250 (permalink)
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Is it just me being blind, or aren't the playtest links (bard, druid etc) in the first post?
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So finally updating the OP again, after almost two months.

Biggest change is that all the PHB2 classes are known and confirmed by Amazon listing the power cards for each class. So replaced this:
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Barbarians, Bards, Druids, and Sorcerers are all confirmed for the PHB2 (source, source). We also know:
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The classes included are the Avenger, Barbarian, Bard, Druid, Invoker, Shaman, Sorcerer, and Warden (source). We also know these tidbits about the classes:
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  • The other classes start with W, I, T, and S (source).
  • Discussing the classes: "Three are completely and utterly new. The rest are either classes or old concepts revisited." (source)
Added guesses as to which class is being referred to to each of the tidbits - spellcaster-y cleric is probably the Invoker, deadly Striker is probably the Avenger, Leader with buddy is probably the Shaman.
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[*]One of the classes is a Defender (source). (Probably the Warden.)
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Wizards has no plans to reprint races and classes in the Forgotten Realm's Player's Guide in the PHB2 (source).
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The primal power source has a theme of transformation (source).
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Avenger
The Avenger will be in the Player's Handbook II.
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There is a bard preview here (D&D Insider only).
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The Invoker will be in the Player's Handbook II.
For the Druid, replaced this:
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Significant Druid info here. (Link is dead, as it was to a Gleemax blog. Anyone know of a new place to get the info?) A later interview here suggests that the hybrid version may not have made it past playtesting.
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There is a druid preview here (D&D Insider only).
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I'm not repeating most info that was in Races & Classes, at least for now.
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Martial Power will not include any new classes.
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Dragon will reveal new classes and races in playtest mode before they appear in a future Player's Handbook (source).

Rich Baker hopes to have Half-Orcs on DDi pretty soon after the Player's Handbook hits (source; note this is from January). He expects to see at least a couple of returning classes (Barbarian, Druid, Bard, Sorcerer) on DDi by this summer (source); later he guesses we might see Bard or Druid by late summer or early fall (source).

Wizards has plans to release an annual "Best of" compendium each year (source).
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A few things I forgot: added a note to the Shaman that it will be in Player's Handbook II, and added this:
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The Warden is one of the suggested classes for a Minotaur (source, D&D Insider only), so it presumably benefits from Strength and/or Constitution. It will be in the Player's Handbook II.
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For the record, there were european monks who were fighting men as well as asian ones. The asian ones just spark the imagination better.

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Don't paladin, cleric and fighter largely cover the European Warrior Monk?

At least those are the classes I'd imagine your typical Knight Templar, Teutonic Knight or Hospitllar belonging to. Cleric and paladin fit particuarly well in a fantasy setting.
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One more brief update - added a note to the Avenger and Invoker that they are Divine classes, as the blurb for Divine Power in Wizard's catalog (here) mentions them both.
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The bladeling has racial stats in MoP. Not sure if it's a PHB- or MM-style writeup, nor what the legality will be for LFR.

Source: Manual of the Planes: Arriving Tomorrow!!! - Page 4 - RPGnet Forums

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edit: The MoP table of contents previewed today shows 'Bladeling Characters' on page 117.
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The bladeling has racial stats in MoP. Not sure if it's a PHB- or MM-style writeup, nor what the legality will be for LFR.

Source: Manual of the Planes: Arriving Tomorrow!!! - Page 4 - RPGnet Forums

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edit: The MoP table of contents previewed today shows 'Bladeling Characters' on page 117.
Thanks! I've added this to the first post.

Also, today's Ampersand confirmed that Shamans and Wardens are Primal - which was extremely obvious before, but not technically confirmed.
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We preview the invoker from Player’s Handbook 2. This new controller class has mastered the original source of divine power, and will introduce summoning to D&D 4th Edition
So confirmations for Invokers, 1) PHB2 2) Divine 3) Controllers 4) introduces summoning
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So confirmations for Invokers, 1) PHB2 2) Divine 3) Controllers 4) introduces summoning
Indeed - I'm looking forward to the preview.

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Added confirmation of the Warforged in the Eberron Player's Guide - it is strongly implied here.

Added links to the Invoker and Warden previews on D&D Insider.

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Has anyone playtested barbarians yet? On paper it looks like they're going to do way too much damage. Or perhaps I just got an initial bad taste in my mouth when I saw 9[W] under their base power.

Anyone with actual playtime under their belt that can comment?
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