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I'm thinking they might split Psion into two classes: Kineticist (controller) and Telepath (Leader). I imagine the Telepath would then be somewhat similar to the Warlord, but without swinging a weapon in the frontline, and the Kineticist would have many pushes/pulls/slides alongside damage.
Of course, that's pure speculation/wishful thinking.
So today's Warlord excerpt also mentions the shaman as a class that fills the cleric's role, so that info has been added to the first post.
I think it's pretty safe to assume he'll be a Primal Leader.
Classes in the PH II:
new Arcane Classes: Bard (confirmed)
new Divine Classes: ?divine/striker? and divine/controller
Primal Classes: Barbarian, Druid, Shaman, and Sorcerer. (mostly confirmed)
Psionic Classes: 4 classes maybe???
So, where does this put the druid, barbarian, sorcerer, swordmage, and monk for roles?
They've said that the druid heals as well as the cleric in an interview. The only ones who should be allowed to do that are leaders. But they've said that the Druid's role is more of a hybrid. I'm guessing Leader/Striker or Leader/Controller.
The Swordmage is definitely a Defender. One of the designers said that it was the result of looking at the power sources and roles and wondering what an arcane defender might look like.
The sorcerer is very likely to be a controller or striker. As for Barbarian: Striker or Defender seem like the only valid choices. Very likely Defender. Monk...who knows.
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If the swordmage is a defender and the barbarian a defender that would cover 4 power sources: martial, divine, arcane, and primal. It will be interesting to see what a shadow and psionic defender look like.
Maybe the PHBII ends up with 8 more classes to cover 4 classes in each role for each of the first 4 power sources.
It will be interesting to see what a shadow and psionic defender look like.
Shadow: Hexblade. I'd expect the "Marking" technique to be expanded. For instance, the paladin's "Divine Challenge" marks the target, and if the target attacks anyone but the paladin, they take radiant damage. The Hexblade could hex others in a similar fashion.
Psionic: Psychic Warrior. Which I'm curious how it would differ from a psionic version of the Swordmage.
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They've said that the druid heals as well as the cleric in an interview. The only ones who should be allowed to do that are leaders. But they've said that the Druid's role is more of a hybrid. I'm guessing Leader/Striker or Leader/Controller.
They also said that one of the defining characteristics of the Druid is his shapechange ability, because no one else can do that.
So I fully expect a build or version fo the druid to be focused on shapechanging, with a few minor spells in his pocket.
I didn't really like this class. It just didn't feel... right. The feel for it was weird.
I'd be much happier with the Society Mind that was made by a third party. It's a class that's sort've a telepathic hive-mind, sharing powers, etc etc. I could easily see them operating like a telepathic Warlord.
I didn't really like this class. It just didn't feel... right. The feel for it was weird.
Well besides being somewhat like 'Psionic X' it was really only half of a class, since the Ardent and the Divine Mind originally were two parts of one class that was deemed too powerful.
Since there's precendent for combining two or more 3E classes into one 4E class (e.g. ranger & scout), I'd hope we'll see the Ardent and Divine Mind being combined, too. IF they make a reapperance at all.
I wouldn't really mind if they were not converted. They already stated they wouldn't try to fill the whole power source / role matrix. So, it's probably even more likely there won't be a psionic leader class.
Some people who want mind readers and telekinetics don't want kung fu and ninja.
Some people who want kung fu and ninja don't want mind readers and telekinetics.
While they might be the same thing, there are two different "feels" or "genres" to both: one is oriental, the other is sci-fi.
So, shoe-horning both into the same book, or under the same power source, is probably going to irritate both camps. There is some overlap, but about as much overlap as "I want divine magic without shooting fireballs" "I want arcane magic without healing".
Should there be a voodoo, chakra, zen, or any other similar old world mysticism power source too? Or are you willing to let voodoo be part of the shadow power source, chakra psionic, zen (druid-like-primal). Come on ki or chi needs to remain in the real world, it needs to get gobbled up by high end martial exploits and psionic powers.
BTW, I would not feel cheated if my monk had psionic power source or if my samurai had a martial power source etc. The two different feels you note should be determined by the players, the fluff, and most importantly the DM.
A high speculation for a power source: Deity! Godlyness for the gods. They get their power from somewhere right...
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