Collected Core Handbook Errata

[bardolph]

Originally Posted by Underage AOLer

✦ p.77: under the Melee Weapon Groups and Associated Statistics table it says, "Polearm: Wisdom [and rarely Dexterity]", there are no polearm exploits that take advantage of Wisdom, and only one that uses Dexterity [Diirk]

The Paragon Tier feat, Polearm Gamble, requires a Wisdom of 15.

[MyISPHatesENWorld]

Originally Posted by VannATLC

Actually, it really means that a Dragonborn needs something stronger than a horse.

A RL horse should carry no more than 20% of its bodyweight, or so. A charger or horse with similiar bone-density can hold a bit more, but not a lot. Clydesdale and similiar draught-horse breeds made good warhorse base stock, due to size/density and stamina.

You'll be damnably lucky to find a horse that can carry a 270lb weight for long, and once you add tack and gear, you're going to be breaking that horse.

Sooo.. Dragonborn needs bigger/different mounts. Its not a problem with the Mounts carrying capacity.

Dragonborn are also freaking huge, the average weight being 120kgs.

They forgot to include stats for the equort...

[Andor]

The damage example on page 276 makes reference to an earlier version of the thundering longsword. They no longer have an encounter power that adds 10 thunder damage and a 1 square push. It is now a Daily power that adds 1d8 Thunder damage and a 1 square push.

[fba827]

PHB p111
Wounding Whirlwind, add line Requirement: You must be wielding two melee weapons.

PHB p113
Wandering Tornado, add line Requirement: You must be wielding two melee weapons.

(while it seems implied and reasonable for both instances given the hit and damage lines, it is not stated even though it is stated for all the other burst/blast abilities that are two weapon / ranged weapon specific. There may be others but those are the two I noticed)

[Underage AOLer]

Originally Posted by Seeker_of_Truth

Page 160 Flaming Sphere

Since the wizards update makes this no longer occupy a square it needs text that makes it occupy a square. Not sure if it should block movement.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. I looked at the Update and there was no mention of Flaming Sphere, so perhaps you could elaborate?

Originally Posted by Cavalorn

There seems to be an attack roll missing from the Killing Dark power common to both the Dark Creeper and Dark Stalker. The text in each is identical, suggesting the error was propagated across with a simple c&p; the Dark Stalker text states that 'when slain, a dark creeper explodes in a spout of darkness'. Obviously, this should be Dark Stalker.

The other interpretation is to see the attack as autohit, but seeing as it confers a fairly nasty status effect (blinded), I doubt this was the intention. ('Let's bombard the Tarrasque with Dark Creepers and keep it blinded!')

There are a few other "when <monster> reaches 0 hit points" that are automatic hits, but not many. I'm inclined to err on the side of no correction until I hear otherwise from WotC, or if you have a justification why all the autohits that are missing an attack vs. something are incorrect.

I've updated the first post with some new additions. Thanks again to everyone for pointing them out.

[infocynic]

Originally Posted by Underage AOLer

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. I looked at the Update and there was no mention of Flaming Sphere, so perhaps you could elaborate?

Flaming Sphere is a conjuration. Conjurations now no longer take up space unless explicitly stated (due to errata). It makes some logical sense that a Flaming Sphere would take up space (but logic != D&D in all cases), and that there could be stated effects for movement into/through its square (forced or otherwise). But whether that's really a problem or not...

[Seeker_of_Truth]

Originally Posted by infocynic

Flaming Sphere is a conjuration. Conjurations now no longer take up space unless explicitly stated (due to errata). It makes some logical sense that a Flaming Sphere would take up space (but logic != D&D in all cases), and that there could be stated effects for movement into/through its square (forced or otherwise). But whether that's really a problem or not...

What he said ... the fact that a flaming sphere has a size "medium" and must be conjured originally into an unoccupied square implies that it should occupy a square. As it is now since it only damages adjacent squares and doesn't occpy a square there's a 'safe square' in the middle of the sphere which is just silly.

[WotC_GregB]

Hey folks,

Just wanted to say thanks for your continued vigilance. I am continuing to monitor this thread. We have reviewed all the issues raised here and you can expect another update soon.

-Greg

[Seeker_of_Truth]

Originally Posted by wotc_gregb

hey folks,

just wanted to say thanks for your continued vigilance. I am continuing to monitor this thread. We have reviewed all the issues raised here and you can expect another update soon.

-greg

great news!!!!

[Ganadai]

Question:
Is each additional Quarry subject to the extra damage each round? IE: does only one Quarry take the damage, which is one reading of the rules on page 104, or does each Quarry that you attack that round take the extra damage?

Customer service response:
If you have multiple Quarries, and you hit multiple Quarries, you choose which one takes the extra damage.

PHB pg. 104

"If you can make multiple attacks in a round, you decide which attack to apply the extra damage to after all the attacks are rolled."

Should read

"If you attack multiple quarries in a round, you decide which quarry to apply the extra damage to."

The fact that you can make multiple attacks, and that the attacks are rolled is totally irrelevant to the situation.

[StormCrow42]

Originally Posted by Ganadai

Question:
Is each additional Quarry subject to the extra damage each round? IE: does only one Quarry take the damage, which is one reading of the rules on page 104, or does each Quarry that you attack that round take the extra damage?

Customer service response:
If you have multiple Quarries, and you hit multiple Quarries, you choose which one takes the extra damage.

PHB pg. 104

"If you can make multiple attacks in a round, you decide which attack to apply the extra damage to after all the attacks are rolled."

Should read

"If you attack multiple quarries in a round, you decide which quarry to apply the extra damage to."

The fact that you can make multiple attacks, and that the attacks are rolled is totally irrelevant to the situation.

You're missing the point of this rule. This rule allows you to decide to apply your Hunter's Quarry to the attack roll that was a critical hit, therefore maximizing it with the crit.

[silentounce]

Originally Posted by StormCrow42

You're missing the point of this rule. This rule allows you to decide to apply your Hunter's Quarry to the attack roll that was a critical hit, therefore maximizing it with the crit.

No, the only thing you maximize with a crit is the weapon damage. You don't maximize sneak attack damage or any additional rolls like that. The Hunter's Quarry is "extra damage." You only maximize damage that "you can roll with
your attack." Also, since you apply the HQ damage AFTER the attack is rolled, it couldn't benefit from the maximized damage any way. In any case, they should have explained this better because I can see how you got your interpretation.

However, I have a feeling that you'll disagree.

[Oldtimer]

Originally Posted by silentounce

No, the only thing you maximize with a crit is the weapon damage. You don't maximize sneak attack damage or any additional rolls like that. The Hunter's Quarry is "extra damage." You only maximize damage that "you can roll with
your attack." Also, since you apply the HQ damage AFTER the attack is rolled, it couldn't benefit from the maximized damage any way.

You are misinformed about how crit damage works. Everything is maximized except any dice rolled due to the hit being a crit. This has been clarified more than once.

[silentounce]

Originally Posted by Oldtimer

You are misinformed about how crit damage works. Everything is maximized except any dice rolled due to the hit being a crit. This has been clarified more than once.

Well, I'm sorry that I missed it then "more than once." I can believe that, but can you show me where this has been clarified? Just telling me that I'm wrong isn't much help.

Because that's not how I read it in the book. And I just reread it when I made that post. Also, part of my point was that the HQ damage is applied AFTER the attack. It's extra damage. It doesn't even say that the attack is required to hit. That's ridiculous. It seems to me, RAW, that you'll damage your HQ target every round as long as you attack it even if you miss.


UPDATE: This is under the Critical section, pg 278 PHB.
"Extra Damage: Magic weapons and implements, as well as high crit weapons, can increase the damage you deal when you score a critical hit. If this extra damage is a die roll, it’s not automatically maximum damage; you add the result of the roll."

Bolding was mine. Look at the HQ definition on page 104. "Once per round, you deal extra damage to your quarry." Yes, I know that magic weapons, implements, and high crit weapons were the only things mentioned, but the section is titled, "Extra Damage".

Emphasis mine.

[Ganadai]

Originally Posted by StormCrow42

You're missing the point of this rule. This rule allows you to decide to apply your Hunter's Quarry to the attack roll that was a critical hit, therefore maximizing it with the crit.

It doesn't actually say that anywhere, your just interpreting it that way, because that's what the rule implies. However, the rule as written also implies that if you have multiple quarries, and hit them all with a single attack like Quarry’s Bane, you can apply the damage from Hunter's Quarry to all the quarries hit by the attack. The rule needs to be clarified because dozens of people have posted asking if Hunter's Quarry + Battlefield Experience + Quarry's bane = uber damage against all 5+ of your quarry, but it doesn't as customer service has pointed out.

The fact that you can make multiple attacks, and that the attacks are rolled is totally irrelevant to the situation. You always apply the damage once a round to a single quarry. Which attack is totally up to you and does not need to be stated because it is irrelevant.

[EDIT] If you want to argue this further I suggest we take it to one of the other dozens of Hunter's Quarry threads.
[/EDIT]

[Ganadai]

Originally Posted by silentounce

UPDATE: This is under the Critical section, pg 278 PHB.
"Extra Damage: Magic weapons and implements, as well as high crit weapons, can increase the damage you deal when you score a critical hit. If this extra damage is a die roll, it’s not automatically maximum damage; you add the result of the roll."

Bolding was mine. Look at the HQ definition on page 104. "Once per round, you deal extra damage to your quarry." Yes, I know that magic weapons, implements, and high crit weapons were the only things mentioned, but the section is titled, "Extra Damage".

The term "extra damage" here refers to damage you roll after you score a critical hit. You do not roll the extra damage from magic weapons and implements, as well as high crit weapons until after scoring the critical hit. You roll the damage from hunter's quarry, sneak attack, etc. before scoring the critical.

Quote from this thread.

Originally Posted by Customer Service

Q: On a critical hit, are the die rolls for Sneak Attack or Hunter's Quarry maximized as well?

A: Yes, both of those attack types are maximized. What is NOT maximized is the any damage that is assigned from a magical weapon on critical hits only. Those are listed with each weapon type and rolled each time a critical is landed. For instance if you take a look at Vicious Weapons it deals 1d12 per plus on a critical. A +4 vicious weapon deals max damage + random 4d12 roll.

[silentounce]

Originally Posted by Ganadai

The term "extra damage" here refers to damage you roll after you score a critical hit. You do not roll the extra damage from magic weapons and implements, as well as high crit weapons until after scoring the critical hit. You roll the damage from hunter's quarry, sneak attack, etc. before scoring the critical.

Quote from this thread.

Thanks, but having seen how inconsistent CS reps are in their answers to questions I take what they say only as a recommendation. I've seen too many CS reps give conflicting responses to the same questions. Enhanced Spellbook and replacement powers for one example.

But this thread isn't for this type of discussion so let's just leave me to wallow in my ignorance.

[redrover]

p222. Equipment Table

Here is a list of unanswered equipment questions from the table on p222.

1. Backpack (empty): How much does it hold (in volume and weight)?


2. Flint & Steel: What type of action is used to light a fire or a torch in combat? Is there a success roll and, if so, what is a fair standard default?

(The question of whether or not we are going to see Ed. 3.0 tindertwigs may bear on this answer.)

3. Chest (empty): How much does it hold (in volume and weight)?

4. Grappling Hook: How far can you throw a grappling hook with a line attached? What is a good default number for a successful throw that anchors a rope for climbing?

5. Flask (empty): How much does it hold (in volume and weight)?

6. Spellbook: These are available, and wizards presumably write in them. Quills/pens/ink are not on the equipment list. Are they free? If not, how much do they cost?

7. Tent: How many characters can sleep in this tent? (One? Two? More?)



Slightly off-topic, but should be noted:

Waterskin: How much liquid does this hold? (If you assume the weight is for a full skin, it works out to about two quarts, but this should have been made explicit.)

Some info is buried on p262 of the PH—not much use to players who have to find the information in a hurry, or those new to the books.

Candle: How long does it burn? How much light does it produce?
Lantern: How long does a flask of oil last? How much light does the lantern produce? (The absence of oil flasks has been noted already.)

While many experienced DMs can easily deal with these, failure to define basic equipment functions is something of a design gaffe. Also, if no defaults are provided, what happens when you want a group of DMs ruling the same way (as in a tournament event)?

[Seeker_of_Truth]

Originally Posted by silentounce

Thanks, but having seen how inconsistent CS reps are in their answers to questions I take what they say only as a recommendation. I've seen too many CS reps give conflicting responses to the same questions. Enhanced Spellbook and replacement powers for one example.

But this thread isn't for this type of discussion so let's just leave me to wallow in my ignorance.

I doubt it will change anyone's opinion, but it's covered in the FAQ http://wizards.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...i=&p_topview=1

[silentounce]

Originally Posted by Seeker_of_Truth

I doubt it will change anyone's opinion, but it's covered in the FAQ http://wizards.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...i=&p_topview=1

Thank you, it's been a while since I looked at that. But that just proves my argument about CS. You can find threads on here that gave different answers from them about the Spellbook issues. But thanks for that. Hmm... it appears that they answer the crit issue as well, maybe that's what you were talking about.

"11. Which dice do I maximize when scoring a critical hit?

"Only the dice you would normally roll to calculate damage are maximized. If another bonus (like from a weapon or feat) causes you to roll extra damage dice when scoring a critical hit, those dice are rolled as normal. "

Looks to me like HQ wouldn't be maximized because you woulndn't "normally" roll them as party of the attack.

Thanks again!!!