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So, while fighting some Grey Wolves, several party members spent a decent amount of time faceplanted in the dirt. All that prone-action caused some confusion. First, being prone has no effect on your ability to attack, although you do so at a penalty. Does this mean that you still threaten the squares around you? If so, being prone doesn't allow enemies to slip by without OAs. Second, can you take a shift action while prone? Or can you just crawl? Crawling provokes OAs, so does the shift give an OA since you're on the ground? Or does being prone have no effects on combat other than the application of to-hit penalties?
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First, being prone has no effect on your ability to attack, although you do so at a penalty.
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Well... Isn't a penalty to the attack roll affecting your ability to attack?
Just wondering, what else did you mean by has no effect on your ability to attack.
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So, I asked a question like the following one weeks ago in a thread about Prone movement.
How does Fighter power "Come and Get it" affect enemies who are prone?
The answer I got (at least the answer I liked best) was that they crawl towards the Fighter, unless difficult terrain or obstacles (incl. creatures) prevent them from reaching a square adjacent to Fighter.
So, I asked a question like the following one weeks ago in a thread about Prone movement.
How does Fighter power "Come and Get it" affect enemies who are prone?
The answer I got (at least the answer I liked best) was that they crawl towards the Fighter, unless difficult terrain or obstacles (incl. creatures) prevent them from reaching a square adjacent to Fighter.
Does PHB update change this?
The enemies affected by "Come and Get It" must "shift 2" and end adjacent to the fighter, but prone creatures cannot shift (PHB errata), so they are not affected by the power.
How does Fighter power "Come and Get it" affect enemies who are prone?
The answer I got (at least the answer I liked best) was that they crawl towards the Fighter, unless difficult terrain or obstacles (incl. creatures) prevent them from reaching a square adjacent to Fighter.
Does PHB update change this?
At the time, people were generalising from Crawl (move at half speed), and assuming that if you were Prone, Shift 2 would let you "move at half speed" - shift one square.
The update says you can't move from your square, unless you crawl or teleport; therefore you are unable to shift. Come And Get It tells you to shift, but you can't... just as you couldn't shift if you were immobilised.
wrt to ranged attacks: I only meant in context of being immune to power affects. RAW is being prone can be a good strategy when attacked by ranged attacks.
wrt to monsters benefitting by free stand up (unimmobilize, etc). Since using power is players discretion, I don't see the harm.
Well, come and get it is already very strong.
Allowing extra effects might break it entirely ..
They worded it that way on purpose, 'cos it means which direction and square they shift it's their choice .. if it was meant to be forcing them to come to you, then it would have been pull 2.
Just saying.
Pull 2 = don't care if they're stunned, immobilised, prone, or over difficult terrain.
Shift 2 = I made you mad, but if you can't physically do it, then never mind.
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Most monsters who get knocked prone will happily soak an attack from the fighter to get a free action stand up. A free move action is greater than the damage when it comes down to economy of actions.
Oh, and since you're asking so nicely, the minions moved adjacent first .. now there's no room for the boss-man to move, so he declined.
How convenient.
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Pull 2 = don't care if they're stunned, immobilised, prone, or over difficult terrain.
Shift 2 = I made you mad, but if you can't physically do it, then never mind.
Not as I understand it from page 285 in PH. All three of push, pull and slide are handled similarly it seems to me. "Whether you’re pulling, pushing, or sliding a target, certain rules govern all forced movement."
This is off topic but it's pretty important to clarify how push vs slide works.
Not as I understand it from page 285 in PH. All three of push, pull and slide are handled similarly it seems to me. "Whether you’re pulling, pushing, or sliding a target, certain rules govern all forced movement."
This is off topic but it's pretty important to clarify how push vs slide works.
Any comments?
I believe the main difference between push and slide is that in a push, you force the target to move, but each square you move it has to be further away from the origin of the pushing power. Pull is the opposite. Slide means you can move them however you please.
Agreed, but the question is wether "stunned, immobilised, prone, or over difficult terrain" are handled differently when "Pull 2" compared to "Shift 2".
Come And Get It does not slide the opponent. Come And Get It causes the opponent to Shift. A Shift is not Forced Movement, so it doesn't bypass movement restrictions.
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