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When a Fighter has a goblin marked and he misses the goblin with a melee attack the goblin's Goblin Tactics power is triggered that allows the goblin to shift 1 square.
Now, this power is an At-Will Immediate Reaction.
Does the Goblin Tactics power trigger the Fighter's Combat Challenge class power where he is allowed to make a basic attack as an immediate interrupt?
Such a situation might arise when a Warlord uses appropriate powers.
Such a situation might arise any time the fighter is adjacent to the goblin and someone else misses the goblin with a melee attack. Warlord powers aren't even necessary.
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But the OP says that the fighter makes the initial attack. There must be some way for the fighter to make that attack outside his own turn. OAs would work, but usually the goblin would only trigger one on his turn. So either the goblin or the fighter needs some special effect that allows some kind of action outside their respective turns. (I know, I'm nitpicky.)
But the OP says that the fighter makes the initial attack. There must be some way for the fighter to make that attack outside his own turn. OAs would work, but usually the goblin would only trigger one on his turn. So either the goblin or the fighter needs some special effect that allows some kind of action outside their respective turns. (I know, I'm nitpicky.)
Ah, good point, I missed that the OP specified that it was the fighter that missed the goblin, thus triggering the shift. In that specific instance you're right, it would have to be the result of something like Commander's Strike allowing the fighter to make an attack on a turn other than his or the goblins.
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Originally Posted by Falstaff
When a Fighter has a goblin marked and he misses the goblin with a melee attack the goblin's Goblin Tactics power is triggered that allows the goblin to shift 1 square.
Now, this power is an At-Will Immediate Reaction.
Does the Goblin Tactics power trigger the Fighter's Combat Challenge class power where he is allowed to make a basic attack as an immediate interrupt?
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Originally Posted by Milambus
No, you may not make immediate actions on your own turn.
This is an important point, that I'll bet is lost on many people. If the Fighter misses the "marked" goblin, the goblin can shift away without getting whcked by the Fighter's Combat Challenge immediate interrupt attack.
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Since a readied action is an immediate reaction, it can't be the fighter's turn when it goes off, because he can't take immediate actions on his turn.
-Hyp.
But most of the time it will be the goblins turn when the action triggers, so he can't use goblin tactics. Even if the trigger is something else ("the wizard clears the path for a charge"..), since the fighter already used his immediate action, he can't take a second one this turn.
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This is an important point, that I'll bet is lost on many people. If the Fighter misses the "marked" goblin, the goblin can shift away without getting whcked by the Fighter's Combat Challenge immediate interrupt attack.
Yes, I know I completely missed it (making the goblins get massacred by the fighter in KotS). It would have been much more fun if I'd realised that at the time
If the readied action is an immediate action, then the fighter can't Combat Challenge attack the shifting goblin if he missed with the readied action, because he's already used his immediate action up. Ya only get 1.
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Yes, I know I completely missed it (making the goblins get massacred by the fighter in KotS). It would have been much more fun if I'd realised that at the time
I - too - didn't realize this until *after* I'd run the goblins in KotS. Oh well.
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The exception to this though is if the fighter charges. Charge immediately ends your turn. As such, if the charge misses, turns ends, goblin shifts away, fighter gets a swing.
After you charge, you can't take any further actions this turn. Not quite the same thing.
The goblin's immediate reaction is "Other Combatants' Actions", which is part of "Actions On Your Turn" on p269, and occurs before "The End Of Your Turn".
Thus, while the goblin is taking his immediate reaction, it is still your turn.
The fighter charges, the goblin shifts, and then the fighter makes any saving throws, ends effects that were due to expire at the end of his turn, etc.
Right now my party's going to make a raid on some goblins stirring up trouble, so they're experiencing Goblin Tactics first hand.
The team, however, once they figured out that their shifting is reactive, they've made their positioning better to reflect it. Just an advancement on how they've fought Kobolds.
Soon they'll be hitting Hobgoblins, and they'll find things change when the bigboys come to play.
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