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Old 12th November 2008, 05:31 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Also, you'll need to connect periodically to receive updates. IIRC the projected schedule is one update a month, at the same time as the compendium gets updated.
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Old 12th November 2008, 05:42 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Does whatever NDA prevent people from posting screenshots of the Character Sheet the app produces? I'm interested to see how it looks.
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Old 12th November 2008, 06:20 PM   #43 (permalink)
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There's no NDA (unless I clicked past it real fast ). But in any case, screenshots are up at WotC's forums. Exobyte does a really good job of showing how the character sheet can be customized.

Check it out.
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Old 12th November 2008, 07:08 PM   #44 (permalink)
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A major bug appears to have been resolved. Vista users rejoice!

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Note, 64bit issues resolved, please get the latest version of the installer, details here: New Test Build / Fix Vista 64-bit Users! - Wizards Community
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As it stands from within the program, you have no control over the layout of the information within their predefined sets.
Just learn you some XML and make your own sheet. The power to solve your issue is in your own hands.
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Or wait until two weeks after the release when people flood the creations forum with their versions.
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Just learn you some XML and make your own sheet. The power to solve your issue is in your own hands.
I already do, that doesn't change the fact that it should be an integral part of the program I'm paying for.
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The character sheet is already a lot more customizable than I ever expected it to be. I don't expect them to do much more work in that area, nor would I want them to. They should spend their resources on internal stuff that can't be easily replicated by the fan base.
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I don't expect them to do much more work in that area, nor would I want them to.
One of the things that Randy Buehler himself said they were trying to do was to tap the talents and resources of the community through fan created content in this very way. Granted they didn't go out of their way to try to stop people from being able to modify things, but as of Beta, there's no existing way in-program to do this. There should be a way for someone who doesn't know how to do xml markup to have more layout control than what is provided.

I like the program, I'm happy with the format and methodology of the character creating process, but the end result (which in my opinion is the main reason why this program exists) is not what I was lead to believe we were getting.
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Anyone have the install available for download? I am really looking forward to this tool, but I hate to buy before I try.
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I plan to subscribe when I can here this next week. But what is an OPEN Beta when it is only open to people that are paying. Doesnt that make it a Restricted Beta?

Just a thought. I will check it out sometime next week. I play LFR....well ok I run a lot of LFR hence none of my characters are above level 2 so the 3 level limit wont hurt me at all
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I already do, that doesn't change the fact that it should be an integral part of the program I'm paying for.
That is a very subjective word. I pay the same as you, and the char sheet is *more* than I expected.
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Took me about an hour to install the darned thing, but the actual tool looks great.
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That is a very subjective word. I pay the same as you, and the char sheet is *more* than I expected.
Yes, but it is not "fully customizable" as was promised. I understand that people might like what they have been given, but it is not what we were told we were going to get.
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Yes, but it is not "fully customizable" as was promised. I understand that people might like what they have been given, but it is not what we were told we were going to get.
Do you have a link to the original promise? I find it hard to believe they said you'd be able to move every single piece of the sheet individually.
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Do you have a link to the original promise? I find it hard to believe they said you'd be able to move every single piece of the sheet individually.
I talked with Randy at Gencon. He didn't say that you'd be able to move every single piece of the sheet individually, he said that the character sheet was exported as an xml file and that the character builder would allow you export to your own xml files.

Technically, yes. You can make your own xml file and load the character builder information into it. But, at the same time, that's not the same as the character builder doing it.

More to the point, I don't think that I was lied to or misled. I'm sure that this functionality is somewhere down the line. It's just that this is yet another thing in a long list of DDI expectations that have been put on hold for months (and months and months). It's frustrating that so much of what was promised for 4th Ed is still in what appear to be the most basic stages of development. I fully agree with the idea that making a good product is more important than releasing something that's not ready and not finished, but you have to wonder what all this time is being used to do.
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um you can move every box of information and even delete boxes you don't want... play with the "options". they don't allow custom sheets in the beta, but it is pretty much confirmed in the full version.
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I already do, that doesn't change the fact that it should be an integral part of the program I'm paying for.
Soo... the product I think you must want is not going to be out for a bit. First they will need to develop a way of reading your thoughts remotely and distinguish them from all the others, and then they will have to build about 100,000 different versions. Then the real hard part… they must find away to make that model profitable… but I guess if you can read everyone’s mind then maybe you can find some other way to make money. Anyway till then... take the highly customizable tools they have provided and use them how you like.

And sorry if I sound a bit cranky but your requests sounds just like someone that I support who insisted I provide them with Open Office and then complained when it did not work just like MS Office and asked for me to ‘fix it’.

They are providing you with the ability to display the content in any way you so desire… your desire is just not strong enough. My desire is to have simply formatted text displayed on paper, the ability to pick what I want and move it around is just a bonus.
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I talked with Randy at Gencon. He didn't say that you'd be able to move every single piece of the sheet individually, he said that the character sheet was exported as an xml file and that the character builder would allow you export to your own xml files.
The character builder does let you export xml files. That's what the *.dnd4e files it saves are. You can run those through whatever stylesheets you want.

If he said "export xml" and you heard "fully customkizable character sheets" there appears to have been a communication problem. XML is data only, wholly divorced from the presentation.
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Has anyone had luck installing this on a PC WITHOUT internet connection?

I surf the net at the office, but would love to have this on my home PC as well. I'm currently downloading .NET 3.5 now, any other program this app is looking for?
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