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Old 8th February 2009, 04:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Domination and Opportunity Attacks

If a dominated creature is forced to move, or make a ranged attack, does it provoke Opportunity attacks from its enemies? How about provoking Opportunity Attacks from its allies?
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Old 8th February 2009, 07:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think the RAW answer is that being Dominated doesn't change who your allies and enemies are. So enemies would still be enemies, allies would still be allies. Therefore, enemies could indeed take opportunity attacks on movement caused by Domination (hehe).

I personally think that's a bit of balogna and rule my games accordingly.
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Old 8th February 2009, 08:25 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Forced movemnt, in general, does not provoke. I don't see dominated being an exception.
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Old 8th February 2009, 08:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Dalzig, I am curious how exactly do you rule your games? No OA while dominated, or something else?

Tale, as far as I know, the Forced Movement text in the Player's Handbook applies only for push, pull, and slide. Otherwise some strange conclusions would be made - like ignoring difficult terrain while dominated.
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Forced movemnt, in general, does not provoke. I don't see dominated being an exception.
As Blizzardb notes, 'forced movement' is a defined term. When you're dominated, you aren't being subjected to forced movement; rather, you're being compelled to take the Walk action (for example), which provokes an OA.

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Old 8th February 2009, 10:04 PM   #6 (permalink)
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nm, misread that, it chooses "actions" not "powers"

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Dalzig, I am curious how exactly do you rule your games? No OA while dominated, or something else?

Tale, as far as I know, the Forced Movement text in the Player's Handbook applies only for push, pull, and slide. Otherwise some strange conclusions would be made - like ignoring difficult terrain while dominated.
I rule in favor of the player. No OAs while dominated. You still get saving throws for hazardous terrain. Etc.

It mostly boils down to not being a complete jerk to your players. For example, you get a saving throw if you are going to be forced into Hindering/Hazardous terrain, right? You can read domination as not allowing that save. Suddenly, being dominated turns into a game of "Stay at least 9 squares away from that cliff so you don't suddenly have the urge to throw yourself off it!"

That's not the type of game I'm looking to run.
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It mostly boils down to not being a complete jerk to your players.
Except when your players are doing the dominating.

There's a fifth level Bard daily that grants domination for a round.

Then there's stuff like "Cause Fear", which the intention is to cause OAs.
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In case anyone cares, here is the answer from Customer Service:

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A dominated creature would still provoke Opportunity Attacks from it's enemies. It would not provoke them from allies.

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Personally, I think that forcing a dominated creature to provoke OA from all enemies in the vicinity is way too nasty.
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Old 10th February 2009, 05:41 PM   #10 (permalink)
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How about making OAs? If I have dominated an enemy, can I "forbid" him from making an OA if he could make one against one of my friends?
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A dominated creature is also dazed, and so it can't take Opportunity attacks.
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