Granting a shift to a prone ally

[N0Man]

Originally Posted by Saeviomagy

The keyword "ally" assumes "willing". And at any point, your ally can cease to be willing as a free action, which would effectively interrupt whatever bad thing you were intending to do with a square of a slide.

Do you have a source?

[Jhaelen]

Originally Posted by N0Man

Do you have a source?

common sense?

[Ginnel]

Originally Posted by Saeviomagy

The keyword "ally" assumes "willing". And at any point, your ally can cease to be willing as a free action, which would effectively interrupt whatever bad thing you were intending to do with a square of a slide.

So someone misses your ally, you say "Right I can slide you one square now" ally happily nods, bang you move the ally to somewhere the ally doesn't like, that ally can't now go I don't like being where you put me i'm not actually your ally Ret Con! cause that wouldn't work, still means mischief could be caused a leetle bit

Well its not important really cause I doubt this will come up in games just idle thought

[isd]

Originally Posted by Ginnel

Heh I was actually talking about the bards virtue of cunning class feature, which allows you to slide an ally one square who is missed by an attack as long as they are within Int + something or other squares.

Slide = no choice from the target muwhahahahaha

but if you do bad things I doubt he'll be your ally for long *ponders how one stops becoming an ally and how long that takes and if you have stopped being an ally can it be reversed *

lets go crazy @#$% ^!
Being an ally for the purpose of targeting with a power requires a willing target

example 1
Bard: I want to target my ally the fighter
Fighter: I don't want you to target me with that
Bard: *use power* I target the fighter
Fighter: I'm not his ally for this power
DM: the bard tries to use his power and it fails because it lacks an allied target
Bard: but he's my ally
DM: not if he doesn't want to be

example 2
Bard: I want to target my ally the kobold
Fighter: but he wants to kill us!?
Bard: *use power* I target the fighter and the kobold
DM: the kobold says thanks as his wounds heal and he takes a swing at the fighter.
Fighter: -_-' thanks for the heal
Bard: don't mention it

example 3
Bard: I want to target my ally the kobold
Fighter: again...
Bard: *use power* I target the kobold
DM: the bard tries to use his power and it fails because it lacks an allied target
Bard: but it worked before
DM: the kobold let you target him as an ally before, but not this time

example 4
DM: the kobold targets the bard as an ally
Bard: I'm not his ally
Fighter: you could have fooled me
DM: the power fails lacking an allied target.

[Khime]

Originally Posted by N0Man

Do you have a source?

PHB p57: "Otherwise, 'ally' or 'allies' does not include you, and both terms assume willing targets."

What kind of action does it take to not be "willing" anymore isn't sourced anywhere, but since talking is a free action, it makes sense that becoming unwilling wouldn't take longer than that. Just take a free action to say "I don't want you to use that power on me," and hey, you're unwilling.