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I think that with a strict interpretation of the rules, if you grant a free shift to a prone ally it goes wasted, since prone characters can't actually shift.
However, since shifting is a limited form of movement that doesn't cause OA, do you think it would be reasonable to allow the prone ally to stand up?
I think that with a strict interpretation of the rules, if you grant a free shift to a prone ally it goes wasted, since prone characters can't actually shift.
However, since shifting is a limited form of movement that doesn't cause OA, do you think it would be reasonable to allow the prone ally to stand up?
Isn't that a DM judgment call, depending on the situation and in what way the shift is granted?
I think that the prone player should just be allowed a shift if someone else grants him one. He couldn't shift on his own, but an ally could help him. I would not allow him to just stand up.
When prone you need to use a move action to stand up. Shifting granted by a power is a free action not a move action. You can always house rule it, but I don't think so. Being knocked prone should be a noticeable threat to any PC, making any 'move like' action stand you up would nerf a lot of monsters. A kobold would love this ruling those shifty little munchkins.
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I agree that this would not be a reasonable house rule if you don't want to change the balance of the game. Prone is already one of the weaker conditions, no need to make it worse. And powers that let other people shift are not supposed to grant them other kinds of free move actions. The fact that prone people cannot shift is meant to be a tactical consideration for the characters to work around. If you want to let the prone guy shift, you can always hold your action until after he stands up.
How so? Since you can't shift while prone, I don't think that you can take a shift granted by an ally.
The bard power allows you to slide an ally so technically they have no input whatsoever into that movement unless they have a slide preventing ability
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The bard power allows you to slide an ally so technically they have no input whatsoever into that movement unless they have a slide preventing ability
I don't think that's correct. If you're immobilized and an ally grants you a shift, you can't use it, because you can't move. Similarly, when prone you can't take advantage of a granted shift because of your condition.
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The bard power allows you to slide an ally so technically they have no input whatsoever into that movement unless they have a slide preventing ability
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I don't think that's correct. If you're immobilized and an ally grants you a shift, you can't use it, because you can't move. Similarly, when prone you can't take advantage of a granted shift because of your condition.
When you are prone, you can be slid. (PH p. 277). Maybe Ginnel is talking about the Bard encounter power "Shout of Triumph", in which allies are slid.
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Heh I was actually talking about the bards virtue of cunning class feature, which allows you to slide an ally one square who is missed by an attack as long as they are within Int + something or other squares.
Slide = no choice from the target muwhahahahaha
but if you do bad things I doubt he'll be your ally for long *ponders how one stops becoming an ally and how long that takes and if you have stopped being an ally can it be reversed *
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All elves are fat and prone to flatulence and their nickname is Gary.
Bang I've just changed my world do the same with yours.
Heh I was actually talking about the bards virtue of cunning class feature, which allows you to slide an ally one square who is missed by an attack as long as they are within Int + something or other squares.
Slide = no choice from the target muwhahahahaha
but if you do bad things I doubt he'll be your ally for long *ponders how one stops becoming an ally and how long that takes and if you have stopped being an ally can it be reversed *
The keyword "ally" assumes "willing". And at any point, your ally can cease to be willing as a free action, which would effectively interrupt whatever bad thing you were intending to do with a square of a slide.
*ponders how one stops becoming an ally and how long that takes and if you have stopped being an ally can it be reversed 
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