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Anyone know what feats I could take (if possible) to obtain an at-will from another class that I can use at-will?
Lemme also say that I don't wish to forgo a paragon path.
If you mean an at-will attack power, your choices are very limited.
Otherwise:
- Initiate of the Old Faith (MC Druid) allows at-will shape changing
- Spirit Talker (MC Shaman) allows at-will call spirit companion
- Heart of the Blade (MC Swordmage) allows you to use the Swordbond class feature, which I think is essentially at-will.
- Many classes have at-will utility powers (ex. Pass Forward (Fighter); Great Leap (Rogue)) which can be accessed by multi-classing into them and then taking Acolyte Power at level 8.
Now, that said, I don't think it would be terribly unbalancing to introduce the following paragon feat:
Focused Initiate Requirement: Level 11+, any multiclass feat Benefit: Choose a multiclass initiate feat that grants you a power or ability (like Combat Challenge, Sneak Attack, an at-will attack power, or Healing Word). You upgrade the frequency with which you can use the power or ability granted by that feat. You can now use the power as often (at-will, daily, encounter) as that class can normally use. Thus, sneak attack becomes once per round rather than once per encounter and Healing Word becomes twice per encounter.
This feat would be no more powerful (and arguably weaker) than Versatile Master for half-elves.
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Yeah, that is way too good. Aside from the striker damage and defender issues, a way to get 2+/encounter healing at the cost of only 2 feats strikes me as something that would be almost impossible to pass up for most characters.
It really messes with class balance too. People could then just play the strictly most powerful classes and cherry pick necessary features from other classes to fill out group 'roles'.
Sadly, it's _far_ more powerful since it lets you stack striker damage or multiple defender types or any of a number of other things.
So modify it thusly:
Focused Initiate Requirement: Level 11+, any multiclass feat that grants an at-will attack power as an encounter attack power. Benefit: Choose an encounter attack power that you gained from a multiclass initiate feat. You can use that power as an at-will attack power.
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Focused Initiate Requirement: Level 11+, any multiclass feat that grants an at-will attack power as an encounter attack power. Benefit: Choose an encounter attack power that you gained from a multiclass initiate feat. You can use that power as an at-will attack power.
If you don't mind me asking, exactly how many choices are there for such a feat? I don't recall any multiclasses off the top of my head (though I have little knowledge of anything beyond the PHB) that grant you an encounter attack power.
Unless, of course, you mean allowing someone to turn another class's encounters into at-wills (via power swap feats). That would be WAY too powerful, since encounters are typically encounters for a reason.
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If you don't mind me asking, exactly how many choices are there for such a feat? I don't recall any multiclasses off the top of my head (though I have little knowledge of anything beyond the PHB) that grant you an encounter attack power.
Unless, of course, you mean allowing someone to turn another class's encounters into at-wills (via power swap feats). That would be WAY too powerful, since encounters are typically encounters for a reason.
I think he's referring to the multiclass feats that allow you to use an at-will attack power from another class as an encounter attack power.
Off the top of my head, that would be the wizard and warlock multiclass feats, but there are probably a few more.
My curent character is doing paragon multi and actually as a half elf, with the Versatile Master, he gets to choose an enounter, utility, and daily from ANY class list.
This feat gives much less than Paragono Multi and could supplement PM because you would be able to have 2/3 first class, 1/3 second class (or 3/4, 1/4 for human) at wills.
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The reason I think that I am "right" and they are "wrong" is because my view of the world includes them but somehow theirs doesn't seem to include me.
My curent character is doing paragon multi and actually as a half elf, with the Versatile Master, he gets to choose an enounter, utility, and daily from ANY class list.
This feat gives much less than Paragono Multi and could supplement PM because you would be able to have 2/3 first class, 1/3 second class (or 3/4, 1/4 for human) at wills.
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The issue isn't that it's too powerful, IMO. It's that it only benefits a tiny handful of multiclass feats and leaves all those who grant limited class feature access out in the cold. If you're trying to design a feat to boost multiclassing effectiveness, you should try to come up with something that will help any multiclass character, not just the three or four that actually grant an at-will attack as an encounter power.
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The issue isn't that it's too powerful, IMO. It's that it only benefits a tiny handful of multiclass feats and leaves all those who grant limited class feature access out in the cold. If you're trying to design a feat to boost multiclassing effectiveness, you should try to come up with something that will help any multiclass character, not just the three or four that actually grant an at-will attack as an encounter power.
Likely it would require individual feats for each class specific multiclass (similar to the feats from martial power that give extra class features if you paragon multiclass).
OR, it could be another 'power swap' power that effectively let's you retrain one of your at-will attack powers (instead of just giving you an extra at-will attack power). It could even be combined with paragon multiclassing if you didn't want any of your classes normal at-will attack powers. [In the case of a human presicent bard ... being able to get rid of both of everything but jinx shot may not be too bad, getting twin strike from the ranger and either of the artificer's weapon attacks.
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