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There isn't really an issue - it works.
I don't have rule book reference right now, but there have been loads of threads talking about this.
Have a look back a few pages and you are bound to find one.
Some, including yours truly, find it perfectly acceptable for 2 feats and a specific choice of weapon enchantment to give CA and +5 damage if the character focuses on a target.
Of course there are some that don't find it acceptable, but they're always free to house-rule it.
I'm interested on the general feeling and rules interpretations regarding the whole Cold Weapon + Lasting Frost + Wintertouched issue.
Do the rules support it or don't they? Actual citations from the rulebooks would be very appreciated as a means to prove your point(s).
Cheers and thanks for any clarification you can provide,
Mercury.
If you make an attack using a weapon or implement that have a keyword (like, say, a Frost weapon in "deal cold damage" mode), that keyword is added to the power's keywords. So, yes, every attack with a Frost weapon is a Cold power. As such, it benefits of Lasting Frost, which in turn triggers Wintertouched.
If it's any reconciliation to those actually bothered by this, a Frost weapon turns all damage into cold damage, making it relatively easy to resist, thus mitigating at least some of the benefit gained from this combo.
Doesn't that depend on the weapon? Because I'm pretty sure it's a free action to turn the frost damage off...
Well, sure you can turn off the Frost, but that defies the point of having the Wintertouched and Lasting Frost feats as you won't strike your target with a cold attack, then.
Is the cold trait (what is required to get the CA, right?) and the cold damage automatically linked?
Can he have the cold trait added to the power without the power doing cold damage?
If you activate the property, all damage dealt by the weapon is cold damage. The Cold keyword is added to the other keywords. I don't know if the damage may become, say "radiant and cold" (in the case of a cleric wielding a Frost mace, for instance), or if the damage is all cold and the power retains the Radiant keyword.
If you activate the property, all damage dealt by the weapon is cold damage. The Cold keyword is added to the other keywords. I don't know if the damage may become, say "radiant and cold" (in the case of a cleric wielding a Frost mace, for instance), or if the damage is all cold and the power retains the Radiant keyword.
The general rule is the key word is added to others. However, the item says (specific rule) that "all damage dealt by this weapon is cold damage." So it becomes the only key word for the damage.
Note: There is debate about use of implements. The wording says using the power of the implement adds the keyword. I'm of the opinion that if you have a Frost Weapon as an Implement it does not add Cold keyword to damage unless it has a Weapon keyword (meaning you're swing the sword, not chanelling through it).
I would not, however. Keywords aren't the same as damage. While a Frost weapon does convert all damage dealt to cold damage and adds the Cold keyword, it does not remove any existing keywords.
The power would still retain other damage-type keywords, although their only purpose would be for the sake of other powers and effects (such as a Utility power that allows you to reroll the attack roll of a Radiant power, for instance).
Resistances, however, are not dependent on what keywords an attack has, but on the type of damage dealt, meaning only Resist Cold would be necessary to mitigate the damage of a Frost-weapon-modified attack.
Q: Does a Frost weapon trigger effects based on the Cold keyword such as Wintertouched and Lasting Frost?
a: As PHB page 226 states, using a weapon with a keyword in an attack made with a racial or class power, the power you are using does gain the weapon's keyword.
Thus making using attack with a Frost Weapon makes that power be Cold as well as whatever other types of damage it was. If you use the weapon's free action power, all damage will be cold.
This will function with both the Winter Touched and Lasting Frost feats
When you use a -power- of an item with a keyword -in conjunction- with another power, that is when the keywords of the item's -power- apply. So, using, for example, a wand of icy terrain to attack does not grant all powers used with it the cold keyword.
Secondly:
The ability of a frost weapon is not a property, it is a power, and that is why it works with the above.
So, yes, Wintertouched and Lasting Frost -do- work together. As does Arcane Fire, which if you're some sort of fire-flinging arcane user might be an even easier build for you to manage, as you can do it with a human at level 1, and get the frost weapon pretty much at that level.
If my Paragon elven bow ranger buys a frost bow and get these two feats, after he hits the critter, all his subsequent attacks (given that at least one attack hits every round) would have CA and inflict 5 more damage?
Same goes for a paragon rogue wielding a cold weapon, automatic sneak attack?
Trainz- Technically yes. However, many of us suspect that this was an oversight. The feats seem designed to boost spellcasters who create their own magical energies, rather than being feats taken by a player that somehow make their items more powerful.
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