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Old 30th June 2009, 02:55 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I'd personally not call it "Wyrmscale", but it's reasonable to let the players do this, if you are ok with setting a precedent of hacking up the monsters they kill for parts to make stuff. That's up to you and your players to decide.

However, if you are going to allow this, I suggest this:
1) Basically treat the materials they get from the remains of the dragon as Alchemical Reagents for Rituals of the value of the armor that you want to allow them to make from the items.
3) Since players cannot craft magical items until level 4, they will either have to wait until then or find someone to craft the items (such as the dwarf blacksmith mentioned in the DMG adventure that you are following). The NPC might charge 10% of the value to make the item.
4) Make sure that you count the end items that are created as treasure parcels.
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Old 30th June 2009, 04:56 AM   #22 (permalink)
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It's not the material, but how it is worked. "Wyrmscale" armor is just a term for scale armor made by dragonborn to mimic the overlapping scales of a dragon. It doesn't mean it's actually made of dragon scales.
Actually what you are quoting is discussing whether or not dragon's hide makes hide armor or scale armor. On PHB 212-213 under hide it says: "hide armor is composed of skin from any creature that has a tough hide, such as a bear, a griffon, or a dragon.", and under scale it says "Overlapping pieces of highly durable material, such as steel or even dragon scales, make up scale armor"

I have already conceded that it could make regular scale armor rather than wyrmscale (which I shall justify by it being a young dragon). Although, I see that you are correct in your statement...but wouldn't it make sense that since they are mimicing a dragon's scales, then a dragon's actual scales would likely fall under the same or a similar category?

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I think my final plans are to (since I took liberty with the DMG town and made it smaller so it doesn't include all the stuff the DMG said it did (like the dwarf smith)) send them to the next town where they will find dwarf blacksmithing brothers who's (adopted human) ritualist brother has been kidnapped by goblins, etc, etc. So they can make the armor, but the players have to rescue the brother from another mother to bring out it's magical qualities. (into cold resist scale or hide armor). That takes care of the price problem (saving their brother should be price enough, not to mention if they use whatever arcane ritual components they would have gotten from the rest of the dragon), and it allows for more adventure to spread out the magical items.

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Old 30th June 2009, 02:52 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Actually what you are quoting is discussing whether or not dragon's hide makes hide armor or scale armor. On PHB 212-213 under hide it says: "hide armor is composed of skin from any creature that has a tough hide, such as a bear, a griffon, or a dragon.", and under scale it says "Overlapping pieces of highly durable material, such as steel or even dragon scales, make up scale armor"

I have already conceded that it could make regular scale armor rather than wyrmscale (which I shall justify by it being a young dragon). Although, I see that you are correct in your statement...but wouldn't it make sense that since they are mimicing a dragon's scales, then a dragon's actual scales would likely fall under the same or a similar category?


I think my final plans are to (since I took liberty with the DMG town and made it smaller so it doesn't include all the stuff the DMG said it did (like the dwarf smith)) send them to the next town where they will find dwarf blacksmithing brothers who's (adopted human) ritualist brother has been kidnapped by goblins, etc, etc. So they can make the armor, but the players have to rescue the brother from another mother to bring out it's magical qualities. (into cold resist scale or hide armor). That takes care of the price problem (saving their brother should be price enough, not to mention if they use whatever arcane ritual components they would have gotten from the rest of the dragon), and it allows for more adventure to spread out the magical items.
Like I said, it's not the material, but rather how it's worked. If the dragon is skinned and the skin is treated like a crocodile's, you end up with hide armor. If, otoh, the hardest scales are harvested one by one and sewn/bolted into a leather backing (say, from the dragon's wings), etc, etc, you end up with scale armor. If, otooh (the other other hand), the scales are placed in specifically designed positions, according to the phisyology of dragons, using special techniques that only rare masters can achieve, you end up with wyrmscale armor.
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Old 30th June 2009, 03:27 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Small dragon = hide armour

Big old dragon = scale armour
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Old 30th June 2009, 04:12 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Hide vs. Scale?

Perhaps it makes whichever armor type would be most useful or desirable to your players at the moment. They can fight over who gets it.
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Old 30th June 2009, 05:58 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Or back scales = scale armour and belly (smaller, weaker) scales = hide?
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hide = the soft underbelly
scale = the rest of the dragon
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Old 1st July 2009, 12:11 AM   #28 (permalink)
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hide = the soft underbelly
scale = the rest of the dragon
If you look at the pictures of D&D dragons, they often have their largest scales in their bellies.
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If you look at the pictures of D&D dragons, they often have their largest scales in their bellies.
So Smaug was under dressed.
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So Smaug was under dressed.
Actually, that was Fafnir. Smaug had an impenetrable coat of coins, except for one spot (much like Siegfried, after bathing in the aforementioned Fafnir's blood).
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WTF are you guys talking about?
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Old 1st July 2009, 04:40 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Famous dragon weaknesses.

... and Sigfried was a dummy. Should have used a bath brush.
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Seigfried and Fafnir are Norse, and Tolkein was very inspired by Norse sources. Here is some thematic art.
Norse Myths and Legends: Illustrations of Norse Mythology; Mythic Norse Art by Contemporary American Artist Howard David Johnson
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