Magic Item with Arcane and Fire keywords that is not a Wand or similar

Thanee · 30th October 2009, 01:24 AM

Yes, we are currently playing the Trollhaunt Warrens.

Do you know of any magic item, that has the Arcane and Fire keywords, and is not restricted use (i.e. we even have a Wand with those keywords, but noone can activate it, since you need to be a member of a class with Wand as Implement)?

Bye
Thanee

Obryn · 30th October 2009, 01:45 AM

Not offhand. Just make one up. Or change the trigger.

-O

keterys · 30th October 2009, 02:12 AM

Why Arcane? Why not just a Flaming weapon (or Weapon of Summer, for something a bit more extreme)? Or a version of the gloves that add cold damage, but in fire.

Nifft · 30th October 2009, 05:45 AM

Why the Arcane keyword (echo, echo, echo)?
Won't regular fire do the job?

Anyway, how about a Flaming Quarterstaff (works like Staff, but the power only works when you use it as a weapon).

Cheers, -- N

chitzk0i · 30th October 2009, 10:11 AM

Magic item powers generally don't have power source keywords like arcane. Wands are the exception because their item powers are taken from classes instead of generic.

Thanee · 30th October 2009, 11:01 AM

Well, it has to be an arcane and fire effect specifically.

It is required to ... slight spoilers for the Trollhaunt Warrens adventure ahead ... activate a portal to the feywild.

I actually can do both an arcane and a fire effect... just not both in one effect.

So, it's just the wands then... hmm...

Guess we have to find ourselves one of those wizards or sorcerers then to help with that part.

Or wait til next level, then I can take the feat to use another class's implement.

Bye
Thanee

Starfox · 30th October 2009, 11:20 AM

Why do you need the Arcane keyword? Maybe there's some secret to the scenario, but trolls generally are vulnerable to any kind of fire or acid, not just arcane versions.

Thanee · 30th October 2009, 11:22 AM

Yeah, I know that, and we are decked out with alchemist's fire and acidic whetstones.

Answer is posted right above.

Bye
Thanee

Nifft · 30th October 2009, 06:20 PM

Any character with an Arcane, Weapon attack (Bard, Swordmage, Warlock with certain powers, some Divine PC with an Arcana [Domain] feat) can use a Flaming weapon to make that attack Arcane, Weapon and Fire.

What classes do you have in your party?

Cheers, -- N

Thanee · 30th October 2009, 10:17 PM

Right now Dwarf Fighter (Dreadnought) (was a Half-Elf Warlock a while ago, but that one died), Dwarf Paladin (Hospitaler), Elf Cleric (Radiant Servant) & Dragonborn Warlord (Battlelord). There's also an Elf Ranger (Battlefield Archer), but the player has little time currently.

Bye
Thanee

Obryn · 30th October 2009, 10:46 PM

Wait - are you the player or the DM? If you're the player, ignore my glib answer.

-O

Thanee · 31st October 2009, 12:16 AM

Yeah, I'm playing the Elf Cleric.

I have Enchant Magic Item and enough ritual materials to create one, if there is such a thing, but I don't really think there is.

We even have a wand that does have both keywords, but noone can use it.

Bye
Thanee

kerbarian · 31st October 2009, 12:58 AM

Hedge Wizard's Gloves? They don't have the fire keyword, but I think it's reasonable that using Prestidigitation to create a puff of flame would count as an arcane fire effect.

Also, a possible spoiler about how your DM might be misreading things. Not sure if you want to look at it or get your DM to:

The activation conditions just say "or possess an item that creates [an arcane fire] effect". They don't say anything about being able to use that item. It's up for interpretation, but your wand could qualify even though no one can use it.