Stronghold: Yellow Hall (need details)

**Leopold** · 17th April 2002, 04:07 PM

I remember seeing it somewhere on here ages ago. Anyone have the writeup on it? Did anyone do it?

GreyOne · 18th April 2002, 01:55 AM

I've only mentioned the Yellow Hall in my Gnomish Brotherhood thread. I was planning on detailing it, but not much yet. It isn't a stronghold, just a huge fortress/base for the Brotherhood.

**Leopold** · 18th April 2002, 04:20 AM

in the old .pdf it is mentioned as a stronghold or was a stronghold. Will this continue to be one or do we need to reclassify it as something else?

Imperialus · 18th April 2002, 04:58 AM

it isn't a stronghold. simply because there none of the patrons are members of the gnomeish brotherhood. It's just a very secretive fortress monestary, probably located in the mountains where the gnomes do their research and development. Given how paranoid most the gnomes are I would have a tough time beliveing that any of the patrons even know exactly where it is, if they have traveled there at all even.

**Leopold** · 18th April 2002, 05:39 AM

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it isn't a stronghold. simply because there none of the patrons are members of the gnomeish brotherhood. It's just a very secretive fortress monestary, probably located in the mountains where the gnomes do their research and development. Given how paranoid most the gnomes are I would have a tough time beliveing that any of the patrons even know exactly where it is, if they have traveled there at all even.

i thought this was some huge flying ship. It would make more sense if it is. It would be randomly wandering throughout the land noone knowing where it is or where it is going..

GreyOne · 18th April 2002, 05:47 AM

No. The Yellow Hall is a stationary fortress that sits atop a peak, with scores of mooring towers and skydocks. I did a definition for it in the glossary but it was lost (its on the old board unfortunately). Its also mentioned in the Timeline.

MythandLore · 19th April 2002, 11:06 PM

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Looks Cool!

Are you doing the pics for Daemonforge, havent heard from you in a while?

Not really, I've been working on alot of other stuff (though I have been un inspired)
However, I did begin a painting on panel for DF, it's very small so I can scan it and it's not done yet but hopeful it will look okay when it's finished.

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No. The Yellow Hall is a stationary fortress that sits atop a peak, with scores of mooring towers and skydocks.

Are the Docks on the outside or inside?
If they are on the out side wouldn't it give the location of the Yellow Hall away?

GreyOne · 20th April 2002, 12:57 AM

It was never secret.

Its a big aglomeration of towers with mooring posts and stuff like that.

MythandLore · 20th April 2002, 01:45 AM

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It was never secret.

Its a big aglomeration of towers with mooring posts and stuff like that.

What would protect it from attack then, wouldn't the demons just try and take out yellow hall?

btw, is it like more mountian with stuff in and on it or is it like they transformed the whole top (or intire) mountain?

**Leopold** · 20th April 2002, 04:30 AM

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What would protect it from attack then, wouldn't the demons just try and take out yellow hall?

btw, is it like more mountian with stuff in and on it or is it like they transformed the whole top (or intire) mountain?

don't you think the gnomes would think of this? I would say that they have some docks carved INSIDE the mountain as well as some on the outside. I would build towers along the cliffs as well as having the entire inside of the mountains gutted and replaced with a small metropolis. It would make dwarves proud, in fact I would put money that dwarves would be there doing the work of the gnomes. Picture an anthill for the inide and if you ever played Final Fantasy VIII i would think that the ship hangers would be similar to that...perhaps floating shipyard like in Star Trek?

MythandLore · 20th April 2002, 05:09 AM

Alrighty, sound interesting, so it's more of a fortress then.
Like a mountain (top only?) converted into a fortress/factory?
So it's not really blending into the landscaple at all then right?
As far as scale, how many ships do you think it would have at any given time (being fixed/built/trading/defending) (I'm assuming most of them would be held on the inside)?
And does it have any major defence from attack other then "towers" and "skyships" or does that pretty much cover it?
Anything else I should think about?

**Leopold** · 20th April 2002, 04:35 PM

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Alrighty, sound interesting, so it's more of a fortress then.
1.Like a mountain (top only?) converted into a fortress/factory?

2.So it's not really blending into the landscaple at all then right?

3.As far as scale, how many ships do you think it would have at any given time (being fixed/built/trading/defending) (I'm assuming most of them would be held on the inside)?

4. And does it have any major defence from attack other then "towers" and "skyships" or does that pretty much cover it?

5. Anything else I should think about?

Numbered for ease of use.

1. I would say not on the summit of the mountain but built into the top near the beak. I would say that they started very close to the top and went down a few thousand feet from the top carving away into the mountain.I would say the main 'entrance' into the mountain would be able to accomodate 5-7 large airships moving in and out at once and dozens of small ships floating inside it. Again my best analogy would be (if your a star trek fan 4th or 5th movie) look at the one movie where they leave the star base above earth and they have the huge area where the ships flow in and out of a main point while many smaller ships are running around repairing the larger vessels. That would be the inside of the mounatin. As such it would have to be carved at a large area so that allot of this can be done. So the mountain would have to be rather big.

From what I gather it's a factory/R&D shop/fortress. The gnomes have a place they call home and they don't want to move so i would say that this is all run by gnomes will allot of support staff of many other races.

One other thought on this. With a large opening could the gnomes devise a door that could seal it off in times of war? A few hundred foot high door sealing off the entrance to the hangar would be a mighty feat and something to think of.

2. doubtful. I would put some dry docks on the outside for shuttlecraft to move to and fro. Supplies/visitors/etc. all don't want to have to enter the main hangar everytime. I would venture that there would be some places where there would be lookout towers, small villages around the main facility, and other little things, but I would say that this place is pretty visible if your looking for it.

3. See 1.

4. See 2. I would say gnomes would start messing with gunpowder or projecticles that involve explosions so there would be 'gun' turrents with iron golems or those machines that are developed by the lord of the blades put in place. I think this would be heavily defended on all sides of the mountain with a lil lacking on the 'backside' of it.

5. Try to draw a mountain with a long horizontal slit in it. Put towers around the base and the circle of the slit and picture 5-7 large captial skyships flowing in and out of it at once. Once you can picture that you can draw the hangar. Also, I like the idea of the doors closing shut sealing the base off care to add that to the drawing? Plant some towers surrounding the base of the cliff and maybe a village at the bottom. I don't think that everyone can live in the base at one time so most people could be shuttled up form the floor of the mountain to work there much like the monorails at disney.

The last part is something I thought of, BUT if this mountain is near the mist then that is off as the people would be dead or insane in a few minutes so location is key for this. Anyone know where to stick this?

GreyOne · 20th April 2002, 11:52 PM

It was supposed to be in the southeastern edge of the mountains in the Jerga Ashpar.

MythandLore · 21st April 2002, 06:56 AM

Thanks Leo and Greyone.
I finally think I have an idea of how it's saposed to be.

The Burned Man · 21st April 2002, 10:28 AM

"The last part is something I thought of, BUT if this mountain is near the mist then that is off as the people would be dead or insane in a few minutes so location is key for this. Anyone know where to stick this?"

All the strongholds of the mountain were built "above" the mist...

**Leopold** · 21st April 2002, 04:36 PM

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"The last part is something I thought of, BUT if this mountain is near the mist then that is off as the people would be dead or insane in a few minutes so location is key for this. Anyone know where to stick this?"

All the strongholds of the mountain were built "above" the mist...

ok nix the village bellow deal. Make the place a self enclosed facility. They all eat, sleep, grow food, build materials, etc. from within.

Unless there is a big mantu village to trade with...but that's iffy.

GreyOne · 21st April 2002, 07:02 PM

The Mantu weren't discovered until long after the Brotherhood was formed, though it was by the crew of a crashed skyship.

**Leopold** · 21st April 2002, 07:48 PM

so how many gnomes live here? What do they all do? Any other races? If so how many? Where do they get their materials? Food? Supplies? Any people of importance? Guilds? Great houses? What kind of government do they use? What patrons do they worship? What patrons recognize them? What's their relations with the other patrons? Are they aloof or open about their works? What secrets does this place hold?

anyone got a rough draft on this place?

The Burned Man · 21st April 2002, 10:14 PM

"so how many gnomes live here?"

Ask GreyOne. Smaller than any of the two main strongholds. A few thousand maybe, since its essentially a large wharf.

"What do they all do? Any other races?"

Build airships/prototypes. (Think large wharfs, most ships in the world are built in a few places)

"If so how many?"

Dunno a lot, though I do think they build ships elsewhere as well. This is simply the BIGGEST wharf.

"Where do they get their materials? Food? Supplies?"

From the strongholds. The entire economical structure of the region is based on food being transported to the mountain strongholds (LP and LoB) who maintain standing armies and FLEETS which prevent the fiends from passing into the Kessel. Thats why you need the Gnomish Brotherhood in the first place to maintain the airfleets for warfare and logistics.

"Any people of importance? Guilds? Great houses?"

The Gnomish Brotherhood (think the pilot guild in DUNE)

"What kind of government do they use? What patrons do they worship? What patrons recognize them? What's their relations with the other patrons?"

Some sort of GUILD structure I guess. Ask Grey One.

As artificers LoB ("god" of Artifice"), the Pale Lord as anyone else in the World, the Mistress of Sea (domain:Air). And possibly others for the same reasons anyone else would worship a patron. (Would not openly worship Shaylay in the highlands though)...

"Are they aloof or open about their works? What secrets does this place hold?"

No, they control the market like MICROSOFT. They´ve got a monopoly on the manufacture of Halas (the material used to levitate the vessels). The patrons have no need to try and devise new ways to build new vessels as the GB do it fine enough.

As long as they concentrate on profit and trade and do not meddle in affairs with fiends they are allowed to maintain their monopoly.

Quite secretive. Ask GreyOne.

"anyone got a rough draft on this place?"

Ask Grey One.

Hope that helps, if not: Ask GreyOne...

**Leopold** · 21st April 2002, 11:12 PM

well it does appear that grey one holds all the keys to this riddle. Do you have a rough draft write up of the GB? If not can you type up something and post it or ship it to me. I will apply the template to it and post it for review.