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Old 24th September 2007, 02:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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POD Services

Can anybody recommend POD services/companies?

I'm particularly interested in cost/quality comparisons on runs of, say, 100 (or typical runs in the industry for small-time publishers).

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Old 24th September 2007, 09:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Avalon Innovations can provide the type of services that you are looking for.

You can see our web site for our pricing: http://www.avalonteam.com/cap_paperbacks.html

For paperback books, we can do almost any size run that you would need.

For hardcovers, we do require a 30 book MOQ.

Cost wise, you should find us to be very competitive with the other POD Providers.

Quality wise, I would put our perfect bindings against any book on the shelf. We are not perfect and have made mistakes, but we will also try to do what we can to make sure you are happy with your order.

We have experienced a little growing pains from time to time and because of that, have been a little slow at getting back to people. But we are always working to improve our services and fix the things we find are not working.

Have a look over our web site and let us know if you have any questions.

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Old 24th September 2007, 10:56 PM   #3 (permalink)
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What's the status of your miniature production?
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We've actually spun the miniature production side of the business off into it's own company called Fluffy Bits (fluffybits.com). Our industrial designer, Dave Hartman, is heading up that portion of the business. We're still all one business, but it was different enough that we thought it best for it to have it's own identity. We have started production of some of our own cast and laser cut pieces, focusing more on architectural bits for game (thus the Fluffy Buts name). For any question you may have, please feel free to contact Dave at dave@fluffybits.com

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Old 25th September 2007, 11:24 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks for the information, AvalonTeam! It looks like you've got a professional setup going there with good prices and quality.

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Old 25th September 2007, 11:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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What's the status of your miniature production?

Did you have any questions in particular?
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Old 26th September 2007, 02:16 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I've used Lulu for smaller runs (50-75). I usually receive the finished product in 2-3 weeks time.

The only quality issues were due to my own formatting and not the printing, so I can't complain.

They're a little pricier, but they're fast and reliable.

They're also the only POD company I've used, so I can't comment on any of the others.
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It's worth considering that almost all Iindie Press Revolution publishers use Lulu (including the publishers of Burning Wheel, The Shadow of Yesterday, Reign, etc), as do companies like Adamant Entertainment. I can only assume that the cost benefits analysis conducted by each of these fairly prominent small-press publishers worked out in their favor.
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Thanks for the information, AvalonTeam! It looks like you've got a professional setup going there with good prices and quality.

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I have dealt with Avalon in the past, and I can say without hesitation that they are on the ball. If there is one thing I prefer over all else, then that would be communication. Avalon has excelled in this, keeping me in the loop with all matters. It's my money and it's my product, so it is very comforting when Avalon keeps me in the loop from the moment I place an order to the moment I receive my products!

I highly recommend Avalon.

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It's worth considering that almost all Iindie Press Revolution publishers use Lulu (including the publishers of Burning Wheel, The Shadow of Yesterday, Reign, etc), as do companies like Adamant Entertainment. I can only assume that the cost benefits analysis conducted by each of these fairly prominent small-press publishers worked out in their favor.

I guess I should note that we have been picking up more and more IPR clients as we move forward. Also, I think Luke prints most of the Burning Wheel book traditionally, not POD.

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I've used Ka-Blam (http://www.ka-blam.com ) for POD for collected volumes of my previously published comic book work and the quality has been top-notch. Even with a batch of books that came out less than par they were quick to correct the matter and send all-new copies. Now they are more comic book oriented, but they should work for any printed book needs.

I'll be sure to check out Avalon though as soon as I hit the "submit reply" button below.
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The advantage of Lulu is that you (the publisher) need never hold the physical book in your hands-- no shipping or warehousing or any of that hassle.

That being said, if you're going to print an actual short run of physical books (needing stock for a game convention booth, for example), Avalon's prices look competitive.
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I hate to blast any company in public, but do not use Avalon Innovations.

I have been trying for the last four months to get the remaining copies of my printed book - that I paid for back in November, mind you - so I could start using them for promotional purposes, so that the Dreamscarred Press site could sell books directly, and just to finish out the order.

I've contacted their BBB to try to get this resolved, I've been incredibly patient about it, but they're not responding to email, phone messages, or postal mail.

So, unless you want to get burned for your order and lose out on some money, don't use Avalon. Go with someone more reliable, even if it's at a slightly higher rate.
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We've actually spun the miniature production side of the business off into it's own company called Fluffy Bits (fluffybits.com). Our industrial designer, Dave Hartman, is heading up that portion of the business. We're still all one business, but it was different enough that we thought it best for it to have it's own identity. We have started production of some of our own cast and laser cut pieces, focusing more on architectural bits for game (thus the Fluffy Buts name). For any question you may have, please feel free to contact Dave at dave@fluffybits.com

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I dunno... a company that hasn't updated its website in 6 months or more, especially with something as major as having spun off a product line... I'd be cautious.

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Looks like we're a little late to the thread. But the newly formed Guild of Blades Retail Group does POD productions for both books and card games. More info at:

http://www.guildofblades.com/retailgroup.php

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I have to recommend Lulu as well. I've used them several times for small runs of fiction. And as yet I haven't gotten a single bad copy from them. Covers are universally crisp and free of defect, cropping and margins good, no smudging or other ink issues. It may cost a bit more but you get what you pay for.
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Let me echo the Lulu experience. I use Lulu for non gaming publishing, and have found them great to work with and extremely easy to use. As someone still learning in the publishing business (and in my case it is publishing for a non-profit that does not have publishing as it primary function) I found them great to work with and informative.

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I just placed 2 of my titles (The Blighted Bestiary and Technothrillers: a True20 espionage Toolkit) on sale at lulu.

They look outstanding.

http://lulu.com/reality-deviants
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