Converting Epic Level Creatures

[freyar]

Those look good, including astral projection.

4th - chaos hammer, freedom of movement, spell immunity, dimensional anchor?
3rd - remove curse, nondetection, heroism, rage ?

[Shade]

Updated.

How about these to round out the list?

1st—enlarge person, entropic shield, expeditious retreat, protection from law, true strike;
2nd—bull's strength, detect thoughts, gust of wind, invisibility, silence;

[freyar]

Those seem good to me.

Filling in x's:
Giant size: 25 minutes, 6th level spell? (Just guessing here...)
Summon bauh-yin: 8th level spell?
speaks Common, Celestial, Abyssal.
11 feet tall and 1300 lb?

[demiurge1138]

Giant size is an 8th level spell for Wu-jen.

[Shade]

Updated.

Natural armor?

Fly manueverability?

Awe (Su): Once per day (?), the Black Leopard may create an aura that can deeply affect mortals. All creatures that can see the Black Leopard must succeed on a DC X Will save to avoid the effects. A creature that succeeds on its saving throw remains immune to that t’uen-rin's awe for 24 hours. This effect lasts for 2d6+6 rounds (?). This is a mind-affecting effect. The save DC is Charisma-based.

Give him telepathy like bauh-yin?

[freyar]

Balors have +19 natural, Pit Fiends have +23, with lower HD, so maybe +27 or even up to +30?

Oh, I missed out on his flight. Average?

For awe, let's do 3/day for 2d6+Cha rounds. And let's switch the t'uen-rin on the 3rd line for Black Leopard.

Yes to telepathy. Increased range?

[Shade]

Since he doesn't have wings, I'm assuming the flight is magical, so how about good manueverability?

Telepathy 250 feet?

Skills: 15 at 28 ranks
The bauh-yin have Balance +7, Bluff +10, Climb +13, Diplomacy +4, Disguise +2* (+4 acting), Gather Information +4, Hide +6, Intimidate +12, Jump +15, Knowledge (history) +7, Knowledge (local) +7, Move Silently +6, Tumble +12

Also, Bauh-yin have a +4 racial bonus on Balance, Climb, Hide, Jump, and Move Silently checks. We should give him at least the same, maybe doubling the bonus?

Feats: 9 (2 can be epic)
We gave the bauh-yin Ability Focus (incite riot), Improved Initiative

Organization: Solitary, leap (Bauhei plus x bauh-yin), or insurrection (Bauhei plus x bauh-yin)

[freyar]

Good and 250 ft work for me.

Skills: max ranks in all those plus Knowledge (religion) and Knowledge (the planes)? I agree with doubling the racial bonuses.

Imp Init, Silent Spell, Dodge, Mobility, Combat Expertise, Spring Attack, Whirlwind Attack, Epic Dodge, Superior Initiative? I'd love to get him Sneak Attack of Opportunity, but we'd need to add the Opportunist feature from the Rogue. I'm also not tied to the Whirlwind Attack chain, but it seems reasonable for him. Other thoughts? I didn't think he probably needed Ability Focus.

For organization, we said 2-6 was an insurrection of bauh-yin. So maybe a leap should be Bauhei plus 2-4 bauh-yin and an insurrection should be plus 4-12 and assorted rioters?

[Shade]

Updated.

Let's see if we get any other feedback on the feats.

Black Leopard has the following powers; shape change (to any other cat or catlike creature, at will);

We never decided on Alternate Form or Change Shape. Thoughts?

[freyar]

We gave the bauh-yin Change Shape, so we should stick with that, I guess. Here's what we had for them:

Change Shape (Su): A bauh-yin can assume the shape of any feline creature of Diminutive to Large size. In feline form, the bauh-yin loses its natural attacks but retains its special abilities. A bauh-yin can remain in its feline form until it chooses to assume a new one. A change in form cannot be dispelled, but a bauh-yin reverts to its natural form when killed. A true seeing spell or ability reveals its natural form.

Do we want to change the size range at all?

[Shade]

Assuming he retains his giant size ability in feline form, those size ranges should suffice, still allowing him to be a really ginormous cat!

[freyar]

He sure does. Given that a house cat is a serious threat to a low level NPC, a Colossal one would be downright frightening!

[demiurge1138]

Originally Posted by freyar

He sure does. Given that a house cat is a serious threat to a low level NPC, a Colossal one would be downright frightening!

Hee.

[Shade]

Updated.

Any other thoughts on this?

Originally Posted by freyar

Imp Init, Silent Spell, Dodge, Mobility, Combat Expertise, Spring Attack, Whirlwind Attack, Epic Dodge, Superior Initiative? I'd love to get him Sneak Attack of Opportunity, but we'd need to add the Opportunist feature from the Rogue. I'm also not tied to the Whirlwind Attack chain, but it seems reasonable for him. Other thoughts? I didn't think he probably needed Ability Focus.

I'm fine with adding opportunist if others agree.

[freyar]

Well, I'd like to do that. Swap in Sneak Attack of Opportunity for Epic Dodge, maybe?

[demiurge1138]

I say swap Sneak Attack of Opportunity for Superior Initiative. Epic Dodge is, well, epic. Superior Initiative is just another +4 bonus.

[Shade]

So...

Combat Expertise, Dodge, Epic Dodge, Improved Initiative, Mobility, Silent Spell, Sneak Attack of Opportunity, Spring Attack, Whirlwind Attack?

[freyar]

Sounds fine to me.

[Shade]

Updated.

CR 21? He's about on par with Kezef the Chaos Hound and the FC versions of Kostchtchie and Fraz-Urb'luu. I could maybe see going to 22 due to full spellcasting that the others lack.

[freyar]

Hmm, about the same as an avatar of a demon lord? Reasonable enough. It's really your call, I guess. Maybe CR 22.