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Old 27th September 2008, 01:40 AM   #241 (permalink)
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Old 30th September 2008, 08:35 PM   #242 (permalink)
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Shall we give him the usual Colossal true dragon abilities, such as crush, tail sweep, frightful presence, etc.?

How about the see in darkness ability of baatezu?
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Old 30th September 2008, 09:00 PM   #243 (permalink)
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Old 30th September 2008, 09:35 PM   #244 (permalink)
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Updated.

Flight maneuverability?

Natural armor bonus?

Skills: 8 at 38 ranks
"Most dragons purchase the following skills at the maximum ranks possible: Listen, Search, and Spot. The remaining skill points are generally spent on Concentration, Diplomacy, Escape Artist, Intimidate, Knowledge (any), Sense Motive, and Use Magic Device at a cost of 1 skill point per rank. All these skills are considered class skills for dragons. (Each dragon has other class skills as well, as noted in the variety descriptions.)"

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Breath Weapon (Su): Once every 1d4 rounds, Rahab can breath a 60-foot cone of magic gas. Any creature in the cone that fails a DC 34 Reflex save is instantaneously charmed by Rahab (as the charm monster spell). This condition can only be removed by break enchantment or similar magic if the caster succeeds at a DC X caster level check. The save DC is Constitution-based.
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Old 1st October 2008, 01:03 AM   #245 (permalink)
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Caster level check DC... 30? It'd be easier to pin down once we know what its CR is.
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Old 1st October 2008, 04:43 AM   #246 (permalink)
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Caster level check DC... 30? It'd be easier to pin down once we know what its CR is.
How about CR +10 for the DC?

Max Listen, Search, Spot, Concentration. Probably also max Knowledge (the planes) and/or Knowledge (religion) to play up the fiend/Tiamat link? I like Intimidate for him, along with UMD. So that could be it if we max out all of them.
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Old 1st October 2008, 03:41 PM   #247 (permalink)
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How about CR +10 for the DC?
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Max Listen, Search, Spot, Concentration. Probably also max Knowledge (the planes) and/or Knowledge (religion) to play up the fiend/Tiamat link? I like Intimidate for him, along with UMD. So that could be it if we max out all of them.
Let's swap Know (religion) with Spellcraft, but otherwise, looks good.

Flight maneuverability of poor?

+35 natural armor bonus?

Feats: 12 (5 can be epic)
Blind-Fight, Cleave, Dire Charge, Flyby Attack, Hover, Improved Critical (bite), Improved Initiative, Multiattack, Power Attack, Quicken Spell-Like Ability (greater dispel magic), Snatch, Wingover?

Environment: Underground?

Treasure: Triple standard?
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Old 1st October 2008, 04:00 PM   #248 (permalink)
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Those skills sound fine! Environment and treasure also look right.

A shame there aren't more good epic feats for Rahab. We could swap Blind-fight (since he's never really blind) and maybe Hover out for Combat Reflexes (useless, I guess) and Spellcasting Harrier. Nah, I guess I don't like that. Or we could swap around things to get Overwhelming Crit and maybe Devastating Crit. Thoughts?
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Old 1st October 2008, 05:52 PM   #249 (permalink)
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I agree that Blindfight is completely useless for Rahab. The Overwhelming/Devastating Critical path is somewhat appealing, as would be giving him Fast Healing a time or two.
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Old 1st October 2008, 06:56 PM   #250 (permalink)
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We could just give him Fast Healing as an SQ rather than taking of feat slots if you want...

An alternate list of suggested feats, then:
Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, Weapon Focus (bite), Imp Crit (bite), Overwhelming Crit (bite), Devastating Crit (bite), Imp Init, Dire Charge, Snatch, Wingover, Fly-By Attack
Or could drop Devastating Crit in favor of Quicken SLA. This way, he at least gets 3 epic feats.
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Old 1st October 2008, 09:54 PM   #251 (permalink)
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I think Hover is more important than Flyby Attack, and Multiattack over Wingover, so let's blend the two and go with...

Cleave, Devastating Critical (bite), Dire Charge, Great Cleave, Hover, Improved Critical (bite), Improved Initiative, Multiattack, Overwhelming Critical (bite), Power Attack, Snatch, Weapon Focus (bite)

Look OK?
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Yeah, I actually meant to include Multiattack and got carried away with flight. I'm ambivalent on Wingover vs Hover, so this is good!
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Old 2nd October 2008, 03:22 AM   #253 (permalink)
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Old 2nd October 2008, 04:31 PM   #254 (permalink)
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Updated (with flavor).

Quote:
The grey dragon attacks with the usual claw/claw/bite routine but gets two additional swings with his claws because of his tremendous speed. The latter two claw attacks are at -1 "to hit" and do only 1-4 points of damage.
We still need to address that. How about...

Alacritous Claws (Su): When making a full attack, Rahab may make two additional claw attacks with a -2 penalty.


While working on the flavor text and looking at the image in the original article, I kept thinking "black panther". Maybe we should give him pounce, and ditch the Dire Charge feat in favor of one of the others we dropped earlier?

I think we should also switch some ranks into Move Silently and give him a racial bonus. Thoughts?
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Old 2nd October 2008, 06:02 PM   #255 (permalink)
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Ranks in Move Silently I agree to. And pounce is sounding pretty tempting. Could Rahab use alacritous claws and a pounce in the same turn? That might be a bit much.
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Yes to Move Silently, then. Could swap out Intimidate, or else take half from Intimidate and half from UMD.

Pounce with alacritous claws wouldn't be much worse than pounce with rake, though most true dragons don't get pounce for this reason, I guess.

What feat could we swap back in for Dire Charge? Anything epic that might work?
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Old 2nd October 2008, 09:09 PM   #257 (permalink)
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How about Demiurge's suggestion of Fast Healing?
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Either that or give him Fast Healing as an SQ and whatever the epic initiative feat is.
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Old 3rd October 2008, 03:51 PM   #259 (permalink)
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Let's just go with the feat since he's already stacked with abilities.

CR 21-22? He seems somewhere between great wyrm white and black dragons.

The grey dragon is 48 feet long weighs x tons.

Rahab speaks Draconic and X.
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CR 22 is probably fine.
Uh, 50 tons? Do we have a dragon weight chart somewhere?
Abyssal, Undercommon?
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