Special Conversion Thread: Finishing off giants and their kin

[Shade]

Nice catch, Filby! The Huge was a leftover from cut and paste. Corrected.

Hmmm...2,000 pounds?

Do we want to do anything with this?

These giants can leap up to 60 feet horizontally and 30 feet vertically.

[Filby]

Um... wow. That's kinda silly.

It could have a racial bonus to Jump maybe, but even so, an obese giant jumping around (in a cave, even) is a weird idea.

[Shade]

Originally Posted by Filby

Um... wow. That's kinda silly.

It could have a racial bonus to Jump maybe, but even so, an obese giant jumping around (in a cave, even) is a weird idea.

Agreed. I seem to recall the other giants in the article haveing similar listings. It may have been a standard for the stat blocks of giants at some point to include that information. We can probably disregard it.

[demiurge1138]

That reminds me! We should give them some cavey powers. Things like getting racial bonuses when underground, squeezing without penalties, etc.

[Shade]

Originally Posted by demiurge1138

That reminds me! We should give them some cavey powers. Things like getting racial bonuses when underground, squeezing without penalties, etc.

Excellent suggestions. For starters, we can repurpose your narrow berth ability.

Narrow Berth (Ex): Due to its narrow body, an anancus is treated as being one size smaller than it actually is for the purposes of squeezing (see page 149 of the Player’s Handbook for the rules for squeezing).

[demiurge1138]

Yeah, but cave lords are decidedly wide berth. We should make their ability supernatural, I think.

[Shade]

Agreed. Something like this?

Caveborn (Su): Despite its tremondous bulk, a cave lord can supernaturally alter its dimensions to travel through its subterranean realm. It is treated as being one size smaller than it actually is for the purposes of squeezing (see page 149 of the Player’s Handbook for the rules for squeezing).

[freyar]

Caveborn looks good. If we still want to give them something, we could give them some ability never to get lost underground, but it's not necessary.

Filling in blanks: DR 10/S or P, claw +10, environment: any underground, organization: solitary or clan (1d4 plus 20-40 goblins?), 2000 lb, 100 yr?

[Shade]

Updated.

I borrowed the tribe from the goblin organization line for consistency.

I left the attack modifiers off until we pick feats.

Skills: 18
Hide, Listen, Move Silently, and Spot are common to goblinoid races
Intimidate and Bluff also make sense, based on the flavor text

Feats: 3
Alertness is common among goblinoid races

Challenge Rating: 5? (They are about equal to a troll)

Of course the cave lords are also rumored to hoard treasure, and this tempatation might prove too great for some.

Treasure: Double standard?

[demiurge1138]

Alertness may be common, but it's a crappy feat.

Multiattack, Power Attack, Cleave.

[Shade]

Those feats work for me.

For skills, how about: Bluff 5, Intimidate 3, Listen 3, Move Silently 4, Spot 3? Hide is probably pointless without a racial bonus (which doesn't make much sense with their immense bulk).

Advancement: By HD, by character class, or both?

[freyar]

Skills and feats look good.

I'm a bit confused. Shouldn't the claw attack bonus be +10=+4 BAB +6 Str?

[Echohawk]

Um. I've just noticed that the cave lords have actually already been updated to 3.5 in the Bestiary of Krynn, Revised. I do apologise for not noticing this earlier -- the BoK version treats them a large humanoids, rather than giants, which is why I missed them

[Shade]

Originally Posted by Echohawk

Um. I've just noticed that the cave lords have actually already been updated to 3.5 in the Bestiary of Krynn, Revised. I do apologise for not noticing this earlier -- the BoK version treats them a large humanoids, rather than giants, which is why I missed them

No biggee. I have no problem doing our own version.

[Shade]

Originally Posted by freyar

I'm a bit confused. Shouldn't the claw attack bonus be +10=+4 BAB +6 Str?

-1 Large size penalty.

Updated.

Advancement: By HD, by character class, or both?

Goblin giants can live to be x years old.

A goblin giant's bag usually contains ...

[freyar]

Oops, forgot that for a sec!

Standard giants are just by character class, so we can stick with that.

150 years? Probably sufficiently long compared to standard gobbos...

kobold bones, underground herbs, and other possessions?

[Shade]

Here's the only reason I was considering HD advancement as well:

"A typical cave lord is 9 to 10 feet tall and obscenely obese, weighing nearly a ton. Some grow to heights of 12 feet or more."

As characters...

Favored Class: Rogue?

Same deity/domains as goblins? ("Goblin clerics worship Maglubiyet. A goblin cleric has access to two of the following domains: Chaos, Evil, or Trickery.")

[freyar]

Let's see. I'm willing to reconsider advancement. Maybe by character class or 7-8HD (Large), 9-10 HD (Huge).

I like the rest, I think. I could also see favored class being fighter, your choice.

[demiurge1138]

I think we should allow for both types of advancement.

[Shade]

Updated.

All done?