Special Conversion Thread: Finishing off giants and their kin

[Shade]

Here are the stats post-3.5 conversion guide...

Huge Giant
Hit Dice: 15d8+90 (157 hp)
Initiative: +1
Speed: 40 ft. (8 squares)
Armor Class: 21 (-2 size, +1 Dex, +9 natural, +3 hide armor), touch 9, flat-footed 20
Base Attack/Grapple: +11/+31
Attack: Gargantuan heavy flail +21 melee (4d6+18/19–20) or slam +21 melee (1d8+12)
Full Attack: Gargantuan heavy flail +21/+16/+11 melee (4d6+18/19–20) or 2 slams +21 melee (1d8+12)
Space/Reach: 15 ft./15 ft.
Special Attacks: Trample 2d10+18
Special Qualities: Damage reduction 5/-, fast healing 5, low-light vision, scent
Saves: Fort +15, Ref +6, Will +6
Abilities: Str 34, Dex 12, Con 22, Int 11, Wis 13, Cha 9
Skills: Listen +3, Move Silently +29, Spot +21
Feats: Alertness, Cleave, Great Cleave, Power Attack, Track
Environment: Any mountains and underground
Organization: Solitary, pair, or gang (3-5)
Challenge Rating: 11
Treasure: Standard
Alignment: Usually neutral evil
Advancement: By character class
Level Adjustment: +4

Trample (Ex): As a standard action during its turn each round, a fomorian can trample opponents at least one size category smaller than itself. This attack deals 2d10+18 points of bludgeoning damage. A trampled opponent can attempt either an attack of opportunity at a -4 penalty or a Reflex save (DC 29) for half damage. The save DC is Strength-based.

Skills: A fomorian has a +10 racial bonus on Move Silently checks.

[demiurge1138]

Well, with Track as a feat, you'd think they'd have ranks in Survival. Stupid, sloppy conversion guide.

[freyar]

Originally Posted by demiurge1138

Well, with Track as a feat, you'd think they'd have ranks in Survival. Stupid, sloppy conversion guide.

We'll have to fix that.

Take the same abilities but boost Cha to 15 or 17?

[demiurge1138]

Maybe make them a wee bit weaker if we're aiming for the same CR.

[freyar]

That's ok, though I'm fine with just boosting the CR, given the extra SLAs and even racial spellcasting we're thinking about giving them.

[Shade]

Originally Posted by demiurge1138

Well, with Track as a feat, you'd think they'd have ranks in Survival. Stupid, sloppy conversion guide.

On top of that, they are short 1 feat.

Let's try boosting Cha to 15 and see where we're at.

Added to Homebrews.

[freyar]

Looks ok.

SLAs: 2/day - gaseous form, 1/day - stone tell, animate objects (stones only), passwall. Caster Level X. ??

[demiurge1138]

CL = 15th?

[freyar]

Originally Posted by demiurge1138

CL = 15th?

Sounds right. I think the usual rock throwing/catching, and that's about it, right?

[Shade]

Updated.

Do we want to retain the fomorian's oversized heavy flail? If so, I think we need to give them the following ability rather than just listing a bigger weapon on the attack lines.

Oversized Weapon (Ex): A titan wields a great, two-handed warhammer (big enough for Gargantuan creatures) without penalty.

[freyar]

The weapons do say they do x2 damage, so that sounds reasonable.

[demiurge1138]

Agreed to oversized weapon.

[Shade]

Updated.

Skills: 36
Fomorian has Listen +3, Move Silently +29, Spot +21

Demiurge pointed out upthread that they need Survival to go with Track. Additionally, it probably should have Concentration and maybe Spellcraft and/or Knowledge (arcana) to go along with its spellcasting.

Feats: 6
Fomorian has Alertness, Cleave, Great Cleave, Power Attack, Track

[demiurge1138]

Move Silently doesn't make much sense for me. How about 9 ranks each in Listen, Spot, Survival and Concentration?

[Shade]

Sounds pretty good. How about pilfering a few ranks from each for Use Magic Device. Maybe Concentration 8, Listen 7, Spot 7, Survival 8, Use Magic Device 6?

For the feats, I could see ditching Cleave and Great Cleave for more magically-focused feats.

[demiurge1138]

Good call on UMD. How about ditching Cleave and Great Cleave for Skill Focus (UMD) and Scribe Scroll? If we bumped their racial sorcerer casting to 3rd, we could give them Brew Potion instead, which I think fits better with their flavor.

[Shade]

Yeah, that's a good idea.

We can actually go with both Scribe Scroll and Brew Potion, as we have 1 feat leftover.

Updated.

[demiurge1138]

If we're putting it at CL 3, I'd rather have Craft Wondrous Item than Scribe Scroll. I like the idea of them making little baubles out of shells, rocks or teeth, or cloaks of resistance made out of hides.

[freyar]

Agreed with wondrous items. We can put a few minor potions and items in the bag.

Spells:
0 - Resistance, Ghost Sounds, Mage Hand, Message, Detect Magic?
1 - Shield, Animate Rope, Ray of Enfeeblement?

I tried to pick a few that have good wondrous items associated.

[demiurge1138]

Sounds pretty good to me.

The hide armor should grant a +4 bonus, not a +3. Although we could drop the armor altogether, since they have racial casting. Do we want to give them studded leather and armored casting instead?